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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] Change terminology to ExcludeList
From: bobwei9@hotmail.com (Bob Weinand)

> Am 18.06.2020 um 00:36 schrieb Jakob Givoni <jakob@givoni.dk>:
> To repeat what has been said many times over now: It's when "black" is
> associated with "bad" in a composite term like "blacklist" we should
> consider being considerate of a group of people who actually have skin
> of that color.
>=20
> Best,
> Jakob


TL;DR: Can we please do terminology changes for the right reasons, just lik=
e the RFC itself is proposing. Thanks.

---

You can also define black as what pure black really is - void of everything=
 - no light - nothing. Things we don't see.
And white being light. Things we see.

It does not necessarily need to have a connection with good and bad. You ca=
n also blacklist legitimate things, but you just don't want to process them=
 right now.
The issue is rather that we are talking about "good" and "bad" inputs and t=
hen connect that to a white- or blacklist. (Because usually the things we d=
o not want to see are bad things)

There however is no innate connection from something being black to it bein=
g bad, rather a coincidence via a couple hops. And only applying in most ca=
ses.
For example: "I want to whitelist undesired inputs for logging."

While I see that there is a case for a more unambiguous wording like opcach=
e_file_exclude, this matter shall not be about the good-ness or bad-ness of=
 the color black.

P.s. And to be honest, I've never heard from a dark-skinned person that the=
y felt actually oppressed by words like blacklist.

And here my personal opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt: This whole =
white- and blacklist discussion is mostly "hey I want to make black people =
feel more welcome, let me call blacklist bad and condemn everyone not agree=
ing. Then I have done my good deed" - without having any actual impact on t=
he well-being of dark-skinned people. - That's what it feels like for me, b=
ut I'm open to being corrected by those who are actually dark-skinned and i=
mpacted by it, in which case I'll immediately retract my last sentence.

Bob=