Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110639 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9730 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2020 23:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2020 23:50:28 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF657180503 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS48854 94.231.96.0/20 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from smtp.simply.com (smtp.simply.com [94.231.106.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (mail-wr1-f48.google.com [209.85.221.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by smtp.simply.com (Simply.com) with ESMTPSA id 49nKfk0FlLz63Ns for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:36:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=givoni.dk; s=unoeuro; t=1592433374; bh=psfoHHAAc7TZaTX25Kumh4lUFQ4OpeLZPkceRF3LAqE=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=MKjhJus+7Mu4UsX1KmvYTaLLwOuV+9Gzrwhm+39E8N2srKWgB8gRM8wI2Ew3VITJx 6R+L8yNJ49X7Q8niebk398RwzC2blyyRCzJFnV/XL/5SpmQa2nvLBQwco02MGmqy/Y TUHmwfdLQMwv5PGc3a6ITXYhDCSyXnh+p56Dbp4k= Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id x6so4011840wrm.13 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532uyB0+eq5xQmlb4sekaWk0eLK0fLi6bPKATblsOB6IcryZrL2+ ayCbiV0j5Q9h5yI2kbugQvB08vSV1wcT76YO4o0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyJWMzQyA8H1nXQ66g1n2HTiEB4ifi/vMSERweNzcKbbzKZi9RYLgYzA4ANHenlKOpdJcqY/JCsX7y8Bb5TzYs= X-Received: by 2002:adf:8b55:: with SMTP id v21mr1439206wra.187.1592433373592; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37381398-3330-e5c3-4ae8-e668ca545194@lsces.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:36:02 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Chase Peeler Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Marcin_Brzuchalski?= , Lester Caine , PHP Internals List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] Change terminology to ExcludeList From: jakob@givoni.dk (Jakob Givoni) On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:22 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > Please stop using the term "glob." As a person that is above what many > would consider an ideal weight, I've been called a "useless glob" on > multiple occasions. This term is harmful to me as a result. > Though I know you're joking (and I laughed out loud!) I think you are misunderstanding something: Calling someone black is actually not offensive! To repeat what has been said many times over now: It's when "black" is associated with "bad" in a composite term like "blacklist" we should consider being considerate of a group of people who actually have skin of that color. If we, hypothetically, happened to be using the term "obeselist" (for whatever obscure historical reason) to mean "list of things to be blocked", would you also think that was totally fine because context is everything and nobody's saying you're worth less because you're overweight? Best, Jakob