Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110570 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70123 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2020 10:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2020 10:21:03 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F280180211 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS51395 185.32.220.0/22 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from upstairs.ofcourseimright.com (upstairs.ofcourseimright.com [185.32.222.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.61.211.168] ([173.38.220.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by upstairs.ofcourseimright.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTPSA id 05G96JNB033191 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:06:20 +0200 Authentication-Results: upstairs.ofcourseimright.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lear.ch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=lear.ch; s=upstairs; t=1592298380; bh=JsboUDqttJeSP/rHlqJXKg8CUcfbBeI8CMISgvTGpis=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=UKMl2hbE/ITwfy8jFgv8lhYjbw6RDmtihTTB1oYbLvoQd/GFFI6t3s+kNZSVRIbcE b5U5td05WFyzj0ous2119z6D1zT3izPhgf0Qhd6khuNyU6sFrgAREyBMpswmjzALK4 1xc/tt5QJOf5vvprimDw5py1OcNKfvkW1RIOkYR0= To: Daniel Rodrigues Lima Cc: PHP Internals References: Autocrypt: addr=lear@lear.ch; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBFMe1UQBCADdYOS5APDpIpF2ohAxB+nxg1GpAYr8iKwGIb86Wp9NkK5+QwbW9H035clT lpVLciExtN8E3MCTPOIm7aITPlruixAVwlBY3g7U9eRppSw9O2H/7bie2GOnYxqmsw4v1yNZ 9NcMLlD8raY0UcQ5r698c8JD4xUTLqybZXaK2sPeJkxzT+IwupRSQ+vXEvFFGhERQ88zo5Ca Sa1Gw/Rv54oH0Dq2XYkO41rhxQ60BKZLZuQK1d9+1y3I+An3AJeD3AA31fJZD3H8YRKOBgqe ILPILbw1mM7gCtCjfvFCt6AFCwEsjITGx55ceoQ+t5B5XGYJEppMWsIFrwZsfbL+gP31ABEB AAG0GUVsaW90IExlYXIgPGxlYXJAbGVhci5jaD6JAU4EEwECADgCGwMCHgECF4AWIQSY0L2Q Rh2wkqeyYR2HtmtG2dJ6MwUCWxJwMwULCQgHAgYVCAkKCwIEFgIDAQAKCRCHtmtG2dJ6M8KI B/46pFrJX+4Ockl2fHR303ais9Lyx8jv6mXKKOr8WR0UYcJ0syQrhaaZNG1VV98tYQHHK9F5 y7hH4YCsrr3odZ6zoavnx5X1X/2xw8y732f/irVoOOkYLid9IGPxa2e2nYXCZpde5/yvv3we XVE4mG4dEAD5T8iKS4Hz/3fKGJQ15o79Jv92HgC7RpCt0WaiQ0b6acP3PuwjDJzJzLFZzb7j IiB3izxQESSWE1GNRmoAK/k0gW6kmx1/87tQENrK+3Nn4CJSFQWF6entLnY7UeVm95wbMQkJ evwddDWUO2huDbmZnmxgKXGzSSpuNq7n8ICAOlbt0HfdJAZQfy25bwveuQENBFMe1UQBCAC0 WV7Ydbv95xYGPhthTdChBIpPtl7JPCV/c6/3iEmvjpfGuFNaK4Macj9le20EA5A1BH7PgLGo HOiPM65NysRpZ96RRVX3TNfLmhGMFr5hPOGNdq+xcGHVutmwPV9U7bKeUNRiPFx3YdEkExdd qV2E8FltT0x2FSKe2xszPPHB6gVtMckX5buI9p1K3fbVhXdvEkcYY/jB0JEJGyhS5aEbct5c HUvDAkT81/YFK5Jfg8RRwu1q1t1YuIJSOWAZQ9J9oUsg6D9RpClU+tIFBoe3iTp1AUfJcypu cGKgLYKtpu/aygcpQONHYkYW5003mPsrajFhReVF5veycMbHs4u5ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkF AlMe1UQCGwwACgkQh7ZrRtnSejOSuQgA27p2rYB7Kh20dym6V8c62pWpBHHTgxr/32zevxHS iXl6xvUCg5T8WUwfUk8OvgDcBErK/blDAMXQzSg3sp450JhR8RnXHXF5Zz2T04X7HnlIVJGw f2CjnwyEAJCqMzaCmI+g3Imvg/8L4nyBFvhlFHDv+kIvMiujyycjPAu7xxKplBs1/IEwmDoA MjneFmawvfeQnwdMhSKK8PjKSuzGU5uUmxj3GBfRqvTM0qpmhMPFOmDhJSmH55HLAky2Mlmq JYXJPt/9EfSEhFiua1M6gLiuNEuPkp+8jcnHQqKr0IeHt8UqcwLt2mGfIyl0FVdF9hvWPjNR zGbgqoT1Di03RQ== Message-ID: <32138a76-ef68-6273-3b37-0c3bf23639e7@lear.ch> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:06:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PmybsdvzFGirO3z9j0BikdXLovXV34Mix" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist, proposal to replace. From: lear@lear.ch (Eliot Lear) --PmybsdvzFGirO3z9j0BikdXLovXV34Mix Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3W2aeYFzIhuEsGEKrcqYq6Oa6egWjUYfT" --3W2aeYFzIhuEsGEKrcqYq6Oa6egWjUYfT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9EDEBC9638C945DF6EC54213" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9EDEBC9638C945DF6EC54213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi the peanut gallery... I can't say that blacklist/whitelist -> something else is a meaningless change.=C2=A0 The challenge we as technologists (nevermind our color) hav= e is that we don't really have good guidance from psychologists and sociologists (I know, I tried chasing down those links last year when this came up in the IETF).=C2=A0 The best I could find argues *against* change, that context matters.[1]=C2=A0 What I can say is that there's a l= ot of code to change if there is no appreciable social value.=C2=A0 My suggestion is that any PR/RFC include some research results showing that this is likely to improve something for someone. Eliot [1] Jay, T., "DO OFFENSIVE WORDS HARM PEOPLE?", Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, Vol. 15. No. 2, 81-101, 2009, DOI: 10.1037/a0015646. --------------9EDEBC9638C945DF6EC54213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi the peanut gallery...

I can't say that blacklist/whitelist -> something else is a meaningless change.=C2=A0 The challenge we as technologists (neverm= ind our color) have is that we don't really have good guidance from psychologists and sociologists (I know, I tried chasing down those links last year when this came up in the IETF).=C2=A0 The best I co= uld find argues against change, that context matters.[1]=C2=A0 W= hat I can say is that there's a lot of code to change if there is no appreciable social value.=C2=A0 My suggestion is that any PR/RFC include some research results showing that this is likely to improve something for someone.

Eliot

= [1] Jay, T., "DO OFFENSIVE WORDS HARM PEOPLE?", Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, Vol. 15. No. 2, 81-101, 2009, DOI: 10.1037/a0015646.

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