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[209.85.166.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm9252466ils.27.2020.06.16.01.09.52 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 01:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id m81so20939757ioa.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 01:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:1405:: with SMTP id k5mr24157931jad.108.1592294992001; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 01:09:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5bf296dc-b41d-703a-1f35-1c6c2d26e558@nunninger.info> In-Reply-To: <5bf296dc-b41d-703a-1f35-1c6c2d26e558@nunninger.info> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:09:16 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Thomas Nunninger Cc: Daniel Rodrigues Lima , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000605afc05a82f11ad" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist, proposal to replace. From: phpmailinglists@gmail.com (Peter Bowyer) --000000000000605afc05a82f11ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 20:07, Thomas Nunninger wrote: > Before discussing technical aspects about what changes would be required > and what are the consequences, I'd like to point out some other aspect: > > I'm a white guy. I can't tell women how they should feel about male > wordings, statements, behavior, whatever; I just need to listen and try > to behave in a way that they feel safe. (And of course there are aspects > I can't change.) > > I think the same applies to this topic, and it's important to get a > common understanding of the problem space. (Let's talk about the > solution space afterwards.) > Thomas's post has been ignored by everyone but IMO is the most important in the thread. [HT to Peter Stalman who expressed a similar thought] I am a white man. It is not for me to say what is best for others - how colonial and offensive is that?? So if we want to do this, let's: 1. Ask the black community what they find offensive in PHP 2. Listen 3. Prioritise the responses and judge which are feasible to act on 4. Act > (I'm not sure if we need to raise this questions in a broader context > regarding other groups of people. I don't want to open a can of worms. > But I don't want to forget about other groups.) > We should consider all groups of people, but my opinion is it's too difficult a task to do right now. Peter --000000000000605afc05a82f11ad--