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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist,
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist,
 proposal to replace.
From: danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com (Daniel Rodrigues Lima)

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I fully understand the consequences of the discussion we are having here. S=
orry, but it is not nice to assume things about any PHP member. I didn't "t=
hrow a ball in the air at random", and I'm not scared by the negative respo=
nses themselves, I'm just surprised in a negative way.

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Cheers,

Daniel Rodrigues.

geekcom@php.net
https://twitter.com/geekcom2
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De: Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
Enviado: segunda-feira, 15 de junho de 2020 20:54
Para: Daniel Rodrigues Lima <danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>
Cc: Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com>; Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com>; PHP internals <int=
ernals@lists.php.net>
Assunto: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklis=
t, proposal to replace.

Den tir. 16. jun. 2020 kl. 02.39 skrev Daniel Rodrigues Lima
<danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>:
>
> The simple fact that we don't know how to deal with this type of discussi=
on can say a lot about of our community.
> Anyway when I started this discussion I didn't imagine that I would recei=
ve so many negative feedbacks.

I am sorry but I don't think you fully understand the implications it
may have. I get it, there is no easy answer but while the change may
be simple and elegant to rename a few places you may find problematic,
you have to understand the consequence of the users it has and what
statement it means the PHP project as a whole is sending. If we openly
change these names without further, we also declare open season for
changing anything anyone may find offensive in whatever way that may
be in the language. It sends a strong signal to our users that
reliable backwards compatibility policies we have inplace, which our
users enjoy, may no longer be as reliable. This puts a greater burden
on upgrading from one PHP version to another, if your time is just
spent on search, replace and test for things like these. I mean
personally I would much rather solve interesting problems and I do not
find censoring words like blacklist into blocklist to be an
interesting problem to solve, because I do not see it as a problem in
the first place (either in my professional world, personally or as a
PHP Core Developer).

Right now you threw the ball in the air without looking and you seem
amazed where it landed.

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regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net

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