Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110542 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 10079 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2020 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2020 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D91804DA for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS11403 64.147.123.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414C4760 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap26 ([10.202.2.76]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:40:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=n3qhEQOw+I9VqDmoF7Nkg35P/AuYkoBehqhPuhu+P 2U=; b=ljK9Q/0wLteBY/cyDh5vHXP5o7OBLvLXVAWWnVPwDfYgazjN3kVB2ewB9 5uXeq1U/tPAjLA1NeKhlTSR/cyk2QYEeMQhbIA+fGl9MiyPx0Wn8V4JQjpu514Xj 1dggfCzoQ5ftyLK3uqgojnhX/pVUQcsKe1yP82vEHXLsc5HT6RvNCbbOKYj1gYnA wQeLTu0lIQFtxeiRM8jkt73dHGOtsAqTpxn6NR8LOCM9Vl1q+zGJQ0cG9pvEf2oT 8g0dYiOeOlTi3L8iEuSFIgyEQgHsH6Sr0JRVLNCASdbySSMHcNMFEcvkJ7lPeQYY K43hk3RiKxjdwkjpI/laX5MYkexmQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrudeiledgtdduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgfgsehtqhertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgr rhhrhicuifgrrhhfihgvlhgufdcuoehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtg homheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffffffejffdugfegvedviedttedvgfejffefffej leefjeetveehgefhhfdvgfelnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 93F4C14200A2; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-dev0-529-g3ee424a-fm-20200611.001-g3ee424a1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7be61659-1fa5-419d-98a6-eaaaeaa67fbf@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b921c5f-db2b-1e2a-ed2a-1add5c9b6663@gmail.com> <20200615174645.GP14030@phcomp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:40:17 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[PHP-DEV]_About_the_use_of_the_terms_master/slave_and_blac?= =?UTF-8?Q?klist,_proposal_to_replace.?= From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Daniel Rodrigues Lima wrote: > Hi Larry, >=20 > I appreciate your answer, thank you, but i would like to clarify some = points: >=20 > 1. I found 170 occurrences of the term blacklist - grep -rni=20 > "blacklist" php-src/, i'm working to understand the impact of changes;= >=20 > 2. It=E2=80=99s not about politics, i believe it=E2=80=99s about learn= ing how to be=20 > better humans; >=20 > 3. I fully agree; And yet right here you're doing it. "It's about learning how to be bett= er humans" implies that banishing blacklist/whitelist from your vocabula= ry, because despite completely separate historical origins the words now= happen to coincide with entirely artificial racial terms[1], makes you = a "better human" than not doing so. Thus those who oppose the change ar= e inferior humans to those that support it. That may not have been your intent; I presume it is not. But that is pr= ecisely the message you are giving off, and it is both offensive and cou= nter-productive to the necessary conversations that would further your g= oal. [1] The entire concept of "white people" and "black people" was invented= in colonial America as justification for enslaving one group, and for c= onvincing poor European colonists that it was OK that they were abused b= y rich colonists as long as they weren't black. Europeans of different = countries hated each other just fine back in Europe without need to use = skin color as a justification. All of Europe being "white" is just as m= ade-up as all of Africa being "black." =20 --Larry Garfield