Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110537 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2020 20:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2020 20:29:04 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C09F180546 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-pj1-f52.google.com (mail-pj1-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pj1-f52.google.com with SMTP id u8so239283pje.4 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7xLBE+Gr0mNoqaFXAV6yyQfwBaiHVE8BVH9GY7tqC00=; b=eufqXA07ZjUaP2Opq1SoLIs88r5yea3M3Z/gaTYbu+FsSG8lSygRzUfMi6LxrwkGq1 nF7rDFlM7QUhuWr8No2+qyVI68KsJnc4+RICDOF/NGiT5v3X2yED0DMEA/4hQnBlYfmm /pV8U0jCXJBvI6IIdXqudCMv6vyz8r+pZf862nWHI3xD4Uej9l1KHU+M1ZpvRw8q5W0h iQwdfit8q3nv3pVtmRykQUVxg1qIn2W0n4YkzdSkFld2BnUYZAq8czpWYpX39oK+P2Cj at2hSzCV8kJjcdir8YlNaf4jhOqvhtiH5q93WoUJoULimIPVau1IMpg2slrcbGMBxA7U 7upg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7xLBE+Gr0mNoqaFXAV6yyQfwBaiHVE8BVH9GY7tqC00=; b=qu8D0RxqRH+iZzMKFWHNgcvbB4A1YcauheKUuEPJYjVxc3KOqwSA1F1msujXS4OLEK BqkWAJXOPZHDlkvXc3JH0MwUjSGhJ/8cip/kznI3njfEQoTQLVJhSYR7ssFZo8aPG13z o1wnxZU0M2DiVV9m95ZOkHziIle0yVW4M5m2s4UlM3btMW7PQJre3eJDA1y2ZUEfyTRq nKlLFINlq5Z4pP3ZsCrrZwmVAIUzjdGj6oZ+CrEeRRX0bqO4jy1xN36w9M3uNz7cr8Pq SO9j3OthlrdGKb255x0SZEE/Qga86aB3PxXccU2I/EkPnnagkNQk6eWUpSPUmmZrrK8P ROKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532wvnPiUTzHO4R+DtUsev0WYYZzFgg4eedLFXrVEsY0RQ28XX5f kYJH1pfaRM1MZ5/VuVF5+bVsvHp0Gw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwIgxBzU3Tz1IX9usPchIHiSHJApQqDi3V9hfrgifKg4qtft44G95UspviKb8LlLPefa2AvHA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:49:: with SMTP id 67mr23211600pla.205.1592248457026; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Mac-3.local (ec2-34-209-88-149.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com. [34.209.88.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i26sm14530116pfo.0.2020.06.15.12.14.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Thomas Nunninger , PHP Internals References: <5bf296dc-b41d-703a-1f35-1c6c2d26e558@nunninger.info> Message-ID: <8064c7bf-a260-41b6-0688-804193c6043c@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5bf296dc-b41d-703a-1f35-1c6c2d26e558@nunninger.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist, proposal to replace. From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I was surprised by the many negative responses: Partly just discussing > the term "blacklist" that is perhaps not the main issue. Or telling > people how they should feel and understand words. Nobody tells you how to feel. But when you claim your supposed feelings are the reason to censor other's speech then others have the right to object. I am not sure why this surprises you. > I think the same applies to this topic OK, so far for the 25 years of PHP existence I have never heard of a person who was personally hurt by the use of term "blacklist". I've heard lots of things said about PHP, good or bad, but today is the first time I hear about this. So I am not sure we understand the term "listening" in the same way. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com