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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:29:20 +0300
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To: Daniel Rodrigues Lima <danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist,
 proposal to replace.
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Den man. 15. jun. 2020 kl. 19.15 skrev Daniel Rodrigues Lima
<danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>:
>
> Hi Kalle,
>
> I understand your position.
>
> But i believe that changing retrograde terminologies that refer to bad feelings,
> doesn't put us anywhere politically.

It exactly puts us in a political area, because the moment we change
these things we are effectively agreeing that this is a terminology
(while unrelated to races) that should be censored. That is where the
political stance begins. You are trying to censor something because
you think it might be offensive to some, that is the first problem
here. Any person raised with basic understanding of social etiquette
and norms understand that these are not words that are offensive
words, unlike so many other words. Claiming a word may be offensive to
some without understanding the actual meaning of the word is poor
judgement.

> It's not about sides, it's about people, and our community is made up of people.

It puts us at different sides, because now you are playing on the
feeling that it refers to bad feelings, and because it is a political
agenda to censor, then it becomes about sides as there is never an
agreement in a political spectrum.

One thing your reply does not do either is to justify the BC break
that any of these have on a grand scale. It might be fine to change
your policy for your local medium sized open source project, but when
you are dealing with something on the scale of PHP, you have to
justify these changes and I still am not convinced that we should
change these for the sake of changing. I get that the thread is to
start a dialog, but I do not see any concrete plan here to justify
these changes.


-- 
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net