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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:28:30 -0300
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To: Daniel Rodrigues Lima <danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>
Cc: Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and blacklist,
 proposal to replace.
From: david.proweb@gmail.com (David Rodrigues)

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I don't think that terminology of this type affects people. Or else, they
shouldn't. Comparing "blacklist" with a black person, implying something
pejorative, seems more sick to those who think like that than we actually
understand with the meaning of the word in our midst. I understand that
this can be done in a different way from now on for new codes or updates,
as long as it does not impact immediate understanding and does not create
problems for existing things (like Github wanting to exchange "master" for
"main", which for me will cause much more confusion than actually solving
something for the world).

For me, such changes are just to say "we care" in a very forced and not at
all humble way. They are like youtubers that donate to homeless people just
to get likes, and basically they are not like that at all in everyday life
(of course, considering that there are really exceptions).

Anyway, I believe that we must keep the current terminology as long as it
has specific meaning for us and, if it is to change, to change little by
little, and not in a radical or forced way.


Atenciosamente,
David Rodrigues


Em seg., 15 de jun. de 2020 =C3=A0s 13:15, Daniel Rodrigues Lima <
danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi Kalle,
>
> I understand your position.
>
> But i believe that changing retrograde terminologies that refer to bad
> feelings,
> doesn't put us anywhere politically.
>
>
> It's not about sides, it's about people, and our community is made up of
> people.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel Rodrigues
>
> geekcom@php.net
> https://twitter.com/geekcom2
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
> Enviado: segunda-feira, 15 de junho de 2020 12:58
> Para: Daniel Rodrigues Lima <danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>
> Cc: PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
> Assunto: Re: [PHP-DEV] About the use of the terms master/slave and
> blacklist, proposal to replace.
>
> Hi
>
> Den man. 15. jun. 2020 kl. 18.43 skrev Daniel Rodrigues Lima
> <danielrodrigues-ti@hotmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi internals,
> >
> > I think the time has come for the PHP internals to discuss the use of
> master/slave and blacklist terminologies.
> > As everyone can see, we are going through times of change in the world,
> see #blackLivesMatter for example.
> > Therefore, I propose that we discuss the non-use of terms master/slave,
> because the use of this can allude to the slavery and negative feelings
> about black people.
>
> We are an open source project and should be politically neutral,
> changing this not only causes a huge BC break, but puts us in a
> position where we are no longer politically neutral. You should be
> able to join and be a part of the PHP project without feeling
> obligated to follow certain global politics like trying to not use
> blacklist, master, slave or whatever flavour of the day word here that
> may be offensive to someone.
>
> The moment we change blacklist to blocklist, we are essentially
> agreeing to the fact that we should censor words because they contain
> a color in its name, something that is totally unrelated to any human
> race. Are we also gonna change the internal values of the Garbage
> Collector for PHP to not use different color markings or what about
> the IMG_BLACKMAN filter, are we gonna rename that even though it is
> named so after the Blackman-Turkey transformation? Of course we should
> not. We cannot go around and censor words that have no correlation to
> the current political events occurring world wide. This here is just
> an example of changing things for the sake of changing.
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Kalle Sommer Nielsen
> kalle@php.net
>

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