Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110474 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16162 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2020 23:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2020 23:30:08 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7214B1804FD for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lf1-f50.google.com (mail-lf1-f50.google.com [209.85.167.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f50.google.com with SMTP id w15so2359757lfe.11 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:14:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9ijTPVeNL6qp8zglx9ui6+Xqn6fpqxMkWKrqnsRcrMA=; b=eRNzZY4bt6mBOBIR1K2fIfy7DmrNFc9vmy7sazFHvkjUTGnhK97e4nfwBWk7VbgUbG r54GKRhGwECIJQXm3h6WUifEkY/khyZz3oPdjVeS+8hMti5IEEPVsFrodJ8TkbFdiJ3v 0qkGb/RmTAziKldgNoCkfR9BH/Pfk2wV12YhIHyR+85uOFiKtyWDryNmKWDnOawP7qF/ a9o2xmNxk5hEUUzBFUQVEvcK2Iidn2sXAFtO/FhPQHaGqYhSIdXZyMejXbV4zCmVk+SF U/bdXvYgUictywMI9hGxK5O2xFKf41BnmcUdkZv3OrTOVF4wsMSvRdfoY5bYrnONYxnj tEwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gExiIxaeLs/vJP3QWz3J/ixNYheLlFw9D5cowlIdT8Kovps3A pDYjwx2asyJWjzToAvK6fY+UihmZyCP7Z5EmWo7KEw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwHh10p+HaYS9hchmuZPZPqh2/J1B+E2pK24r3hj7dS2G85PfitYVU8a7UiGKzxQhvO7TaZoT7PwDX5K3V1WHk= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c04:: with SMTP id 4mr2729868lfm.17.1591827246233; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ryan Jentzsch Cc: Claude Pache , "G. P. B." , PHP internals , Kalle Sommer Nielsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008e54df05a7c22964" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC] Rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) --0000000000008e54df05a7c22964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:33 PM Ryan Jentzsch wrote: > OMG the trolling continues even today with this nonsense. Disappointing. > Oh yes. And histrionics will certainly deescalate that issue. > "...yes, it is broken, people have to Google or ask around for a very > unclear error message when for the most part errors are (and should be) > self explanatory > You know what shows up unambiguously in a google search? "Paamayim Nekudotayim". You know what ISN'T unambiguous in a google search? "Double Colon" You know who don't have an excuse to say "Google is hard"? Software engineers. > ...Two things are broken: Either the token is named badly, or the token > names shouldn=E2=80=99t show up in error messages at all and be replaced = with > something a bit more friendly. > Token names shouldn't show up. Everyone is agreeing with that statement. Universally. Let's fix that problem rather than create new ones by not addressing the underlying issue. Once again I plead for logic and sanity. At least have the courage to put > it to a vote. > > Absolutely. Put it to a vote. I've got my "no" all locked and loaded. -Sara --0000000000008e54df05a7c22964--