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P. B." Cc: PHP internals , Kalle Sommer Nielsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aadfbc05a7bdc125" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC] Rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: ryan.jentzsch@gmail.com (Ryan Jentzsch) --000000000000aadfbc05a7bdc125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" With over 25+ years of software development experience it was In 2016 I was introduced to the world of PHP development. One day I came across the most unusual of error messages "T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM" What the hell is this?!? That I needed to waste my time to Google this is simply insane. At the time I thought to myself that PHP deserved some of the hate. Then I came across this gem: https://phil.tech/2013/t-paamayim-nekudotayim-v-sanity/ Please for the sake of logic and sanity replace this nonsense with T_DOUBLE_COLON On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:14 AM G. P. B. wrote: > Greetings PHP internals, > > Kalle Sommer Nielsen and myself are proposing to rename the > T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM > token into the already existing T_DOUBLE_COLON alias, > T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM would then become an alias to T_DOUBLE_COLON. > > The RFC is located here: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rename-double-colon-token > > Although this token is a nod to the valuable contributions made by the > Isrealie community we believe this token is rather confusing for newcomers. > Moreso, as PHP is for many people their first programming language, > they may not have some of the habits like googling errors when > they are stuck, which leads to a frustrating experience. > > As we believe PHP still has many years of existence we think it is time > to rename this token. > > This is backwards compatible with PHP 7 and 5. > This RFC does not lay out a plan for deprecating T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM > and leaves this as a future scope. > > As the matter on hand is a relatively straight forward yes/no vote we > expect > it to be held after the minimum 2 week discussion period. > > Best regards > > George Peter Banyard > --000000000000aadfbc05a7bdc125--