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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 13:34:14 +0300
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To: Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.0
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Den s=C3=B8n. 7. jun. 2020 kl. 12.18 skrev Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com>:
>
> What if Nikita changes the RFC to target PHP 8.1 but proceed with voting
> now? If voting passes, the RFC will be pending implementation and the
> "news" will start to spread. Brandt will write about it in his blog, Redd=
it
> will have a post about it, etc. and the community will start to spread th=
e
> information.
> Maybe even include 3-way voting and let people decide which version to
> target.
>
> I'm still on the fence whether I like or dislike depredations coming on
> 8.1, but my guess is that by carring on with the RFC now the information
> will be spread and people will know about it.

The question is, why is it important to delay deprecations when they
can safely be ignored, functionality will remain the same anyway so it
is only a problem for those whose development environments enable
E_DEPRECATED in error_reporting. If Symfony (or any other project for
the matter) wants to to have no deprecation warnings but cannot make
the date for PHP 8.0.0's release, then they shouldn't target PHP8 and
we should not delay our process due to that. Either way the changes
proposed by this RFC is relatively small and the potential candidate
that could hold some projects back (which I hope not), is the
accessing static members on traits part, but likely minimal. By the
time 8.1.0 is on the horizon, the list of potential deprecations could
have doubled.

It is important to have php.net be the source of truth for everything,
so the official word on deprecations should come in the form of the
documentation at php.net and the warnings emitted from php-src. We
should not rely on others posting about these deprecations before they
happen, everything and nothing can change in between now and when it
is eventually implemented.

--=20
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net