Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110406 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15759 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2020 10:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2020 10:35:28 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854571804C2 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 02:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f49.google.com (mail-io1-f49.google.com [209.85.166.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 02:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f49.google.com with SMTP id i25so604613iog.0 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 02:18:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XbjynM4URXVa6+uQ87Sx9CriFo6hs8IEUhZYun2HKY0=; b=JNiBi9Bc1MWaL5fD2Qabgjouxz4eYam7AUx9oW7UkKbMrUiL7w0yI874T0Nsczq0e0 /jBYBKdg48Oa7QaCA4ee6JG9Of57mIOBP4W6K2yqALceniop0Bmj0bZ4gxhTVodL74+L kcKdzBwk4PRXyob5wnOXq+ZwnPRD6GE+BqnBMFdVecnLT547lO2ZwFwqQbqgra71xGZG yAd+WXVyMzqPyGFD97LWxpzLzM3lqA2bF2ZEpVhWHIzrf6r3A4PuptC1hQ/MT48OUgfo 4dsKJwxNPcjioNSpmTGah2erc9EtttsqOdX4rpwb/SXxXm/bWqFyzhci4KoShLgYakNh S0yQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XbjynM4URXVa6+uQ87Sx9CriFo6hs8IEUhZYun2HKY0=; b=PQSNQ6MQUw5/FWI2I1wJ8PlWmnaQ845agPikCpyVXecUfBN5x+PARHkMgTwqVe3Wt6 P6BlOHd0hAmu2LNHNHgRYDUriLCmUiS65/YIpxgiAF2ch/5dpTk3hFJFl+Ah+//mdafw Wy0Mw04vnArA3+uKk2zS6wte0qCSyJOvce6NqsHCHBqPgRT53SwEhGUROVIKnqA2vvUK 4l6DRjbAn3FO+plfbzgs4PBVOzSR3htvF6vV+NsAeUi3pvc4ihJPgszgHoxHTRSiMi15 nSGP80LLnOUfBRtONsFctjsoiFxcZy+waipuhcazUQ7h3OQ7RC1WvBmTjnukKN8DuSpB g3jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533r/kI+ESIenQQp526xG1dQ3z7USSvMv0VO6vDM/TkKnlsNJl79 2k3NkFXqRm4NAy+hIKjfnR5nN5pB7QyI4Hu1rmWK3a4O X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwcNooI1qVJ3mp9VTE90AHqEThEBVevwkJ7bFHtkWlaNxzzX7j05gXr/P20+VULARuH1z+LM+qwt/d32uhoTgA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9495:: with SMTP id v21mr16767913ioj.26.1591521510948; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 02:18:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:18:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000050031d05a77afa44" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.0 From: deleugyn@gmail.com (Deleu) --00000000000050031d05a77afa44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What if Nikita changes the RFC to target PHP 8.1 but proceed with voting now? If voting passes, the RFC will be pending implementation and the "news" will start to spread. Brandt will write about it in his blog, Reddit will have a post about it, etc. and the community will start to spread the information. Maybe even include 3-way voting and let people decide which version to target. I'm still on the fence whether I like or dislike depredations coming on 8.1, but my guess is that by carring on with the RFC now the information will be spread and people will know about it. On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 06:46 Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den s=C3=B8n. 7. jun. 2020 kl. 05.58 skrev Theodore Brown < > theodorejb@outlook.com>: > > So while I understand the desire to make upgrades as easy as possible, > > I'm not convinced it's a good idea to delay these deprecations for > > a later release. At the very least if deprecation is likely the PHP > > manual should say something about it. > > I agree with this and feel very strongly about it, we should not delay > deprecations since they can be disabled on a configuration level by > removing the E_DEPRECATED bits from error_reporting anyway. Allowing > our users to know at the earliest possible moment when something is > going to be deprecated allows userland to have a larger time for > upgrading as these warnings about certain behavior will change many > years from now, but old behavior is still in effect. > > -- > regards, > > Kalle Sommer Nielsen > kalle@php.net > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --00000000000050031d05a77afa44--