Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110259 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84422 invoked from network); 22 May 2020 19:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 May 2020 19:52:52 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8E8180507 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wm1-f49.google.com (mail-wm1-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f49.google.com with SMTP id f5so2483965wmh.2 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=wjYwTDvhh1QyBknHsbb/mobPyhIG0y/rsyGu/te7q7U=; b=sW9JGzxRYqFhXco2KVHx+WQslCFt5b+cwDNpJsBcEqfK93ZO/Yp5tUbG1pvfG8vYFN F/AhvdchIvbVd4XwIiliNgem9kr0MIyBF9M/+aTnTTZ6V74sDXDHrEqf1cfl7ogb844x Q1qmt+TpFiBj/P3CuPQI9Qo97tj8tR3ndf4KyXauqQd/umiqmXadSBgrd1wjCxKluvPO Dt4vHwDPN5PxjOfvSoRbbR+rnqFIz+mtabHtaBigI71GrppCuGbO04Ydb6XZ3oUuBVg6 +wnMOy/Dki2mg6m16ZysmujEHxu3IB5SFBMSMmRqCZUivj0t3tqmYKQKMFNig/UqvVZV Hh/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=wjYwTDvhh1QyBknHsbb/mobPyhIG0y/rsyGu/te7q7U=; b=S1lvaVkTDJwUpeSEL+3PhJXjNHA9hGOtu711wSBjRIzYRvZe/w6WR1i4fWeI3oK29P Ffmp0EJyoPSupvTAUq0TLXIDd9XIQjBwKnmYtXsBuI5q5pP1KYXvwvZ16iTqvbaO3F0z oDb7SGSXhPqbTczbLNhqbQhkpDSlita/3wPV71URblqxoU31iXa+rBEMa8wtc6KlSfwZ l2PEdZzw2U1nBPZyZJXEUhI6OBPVf7ZBIj7qIo3Y1ovZ+zcisq7OlbXBGb3Qy1NbYnk9 khod8XVP0jZrxW4wPTZuglsiiaL75O3Wf4NlhpfUqchxYjQSQ4Bws6ZBl01gEkva87Qx px1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531pwbuO5u3m0L4q6HDHZH6H82INF8lMzWet/sirHr49uRqAvadQ pI865vBbvFw+rRv1Xfg9cYop1gsy X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw1ArhnFX4JPoxcWVk9etkQRHpjB4dMkJiYpnBKN4dw1nPXSwa94lukR3DXF80QyqI0SbpKKA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2bc2:: with SMTP id r185mr15134370wmr.49.1590172321396; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (cpc84253-brig22-2-0-cust114.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.108.141.115]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r14sm15320241wmb.2.2020.05.22.11.32.00 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 May 2020 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <5ec80c51.1c69fb81.bdcbc.bb92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <607f00a8-bfe5-4562-37ce-b372ba73c57d@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:32:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ec80c51.1c69fb81.bdcbc.bb92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][VOTE] PHP Namespace in core From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 22/05/2020 18:30, Mark Randall wrote: > Should this vote fail, \PHP effectively changes from a reserved > namespace, to a dead namespace. I don't see how you get from the text of this RFC to that conclusion. There are a number of reasons why people who vote against this RFC might vote for an alternative, such as: * They would prefer *more* classes to be in \PHP * They would prefer fewer classes, but not none * They would prefer a similar number of classes, but a different definition * They would prefer a guideline with "should" or "may" rather than "must" * They like the definition, but would prefer a plan to rename existing classes that meet it, for consistency (I don't have a vote, but I might well vote No on this basis) * They would prefer a concrete proposal on how to structure the namespace, which this RFC explicitly is not * They might even prefer your RFC, which is still marked "Under Discussion": https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php_namespace_policy It is possible that "officially declare that we won't use the \PHP namespace" would get a majority, but that's not what this vote asks. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins (né Collins) [IMSoP]