Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110089 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15876 invoked from network); 8 May 2020 18:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 8 May 2020 18:25:23 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DEB18056B for ; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wr1-f54.google.com (mail-wr1-f54.google.com [209.85.221.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id w7so2678730wre.13 for ; Fri, 08 May 2020 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=urIUIJX9I38FtgZzOBStsfhMQWX7ebwEJN+pIy6REfY=; b=rwdvKxrG7AxO2pVJYwAOu2YGKboSbR5sOHGhLMUS9rZjzcyjwj9oqObt2kQJXmn5OB D5N1hjwCQ0R99ROZu1zb3xk+M1ykBKp+lqtU9vx51CMg0faz7A42yvvUatMBzUypmaV3 KpDX9SiBWhl59CpVhDb69zJUdv7hUdwN3c+Qcr6TEDr86j95WK39YsUE92E3oOkpWubW aKTybA3l+Y6mRhRRdauQRaYTH5Z6CtwZ50Bix7Q/d5tN2PuQT8EQczZjLhR8KSsgt5tm fbpLYyTOJ/X/qbUqUOuskc7+e3YK2BWs9f44a6r8DZSj4xmTw3XFgi1IRG3qFpxeFbHA M1dw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=urIUIJX9I38FtgZzOBStsfhMQWX7ebwEJN+pIy6REfY=; b=sUeExtVTrnE7J+uhyqFb5Q1jxRB7iqXhByw638JoZu18rZwQY5Ac2HOJ309PlHMVwC vC4ebsZRFM8EtNeZZ/p3pbkl7jpeZhSENw8o8I5ylBn/2Y8vuX8AVGkAT9hqsEAv89pE GRtlz4IVcxlNF7ZKVkyxXHO+qKn8F7Cdtmk6dH+O6LJi/gmPMqPCVFBm6nNfVrGzfBP2 lg8lMybzDBP7qTwE+dcx1A57nZc1Ussf8nR4Vijb3tEk93O5rPO6fvnOz30US40C4seB Ti9c1pfLKaaewVPL8XKld1tJSmabIT1rhvLGJVLyMRU2WJXTiTyZeHElXLk/SftW0aph x5RQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZzvTCHVnA+PizA7cyatbD41UJu0L5A5797FfkH5KX5HFegzPtb CVxjMvxNX6wrimmXIHBvTwpmRZgw X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypICN4ODAAjVrWkiqEFPIBolnC3v6rcira9r3SCWnAtqII9D3GcdHXzhcN7qgE5gHoNbPYJZNQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:408b:: with SMTP id o11mr3697793wrp.97.1588957263008; Fri, 08 May 2020 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (cpc84253-brig22-2-0-cust114.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.108.141.115]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z3sm3984410wrm.81.2020.05.08.10.01.01 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 08 May 2020 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <1C09C0A9-1DA4-4753-8E5A-A739D52DA0B3@newclarity.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 18:00:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Parameter Blocks (vs. Constructor Property Promotion and Named Parameters) From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 08/05/2020 14:44, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > Mike, > It's nice that you want to contribute to PHP. But trying to brainstorm > ideas over email is not productive. Hi Dan, I appreciate that you, too, want to make PHP better, as a language and as a project; but just about everything in this e-mail is wrong. Firstly, you've managed to reply to the wrong thread. Secondly, you've once again taken it on yourself to proclaim when people should and shouldn't use this e-mail list, without actually asking anyone else's opinion. Thirdly, Mike is not the only one "brainstorming" this particular idea, as your comments about "spending your time better elsewhere" imply. Ben Ramsey, Larry Garfield, and Dik Takken have all expressed support for the general idea, and it has come up in other discussions as a potential benefit of preloading and JIT. I certainly don't agree with all Mike's ideas, nor do I always feel the mailing list is as productive as it could be, but I think this message was just way off base. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins (né Collins) [IMSoP]