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[96.61.170.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm4321748qkm.98.2020.03.20.08.47.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <606B9434-7765-4509-93FA-5DEA523C76A0@benramsey.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_47CCC59A-45F4-4EE9-B412-661680E959CB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:47:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5e74db3f.1c69fb81.8f943.ad24SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Cc: internals@lists.php.net To: Mark Randall References: <5e74db3f.1c69fb81.8f943.ad24SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] An incubation period for RFCs? [repost as own thread] From: ben@benramsey.com (Ben Ramsey) --Apple-Mail=_47CCC59A-45F4-4EE9-B412-661680E959CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:03, Mark Randall wrote: >=20 > On 20/03/2020 14:38, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> How does the list feel about this idea? >=20 > =46rom what I have read, userland testing of even RC versions seems to = be as infrequent as to practically be non-existent outside the major = frameworks, having a usable number of people playing about with it when = it's not even in for certain seems unrealistic? >=20 > Would it not also lead us to a situation where at any given time this = incubation branch, or god forbid master, could be in any of 2^n = different states depending on which engine features were available or = not? That's a lot of extra uncertainty and possible unexpected = interactions. To encourage userland testing of RC versions, I think it would be = helpful to maintain Docker images of RCs. I=E2=80=99m not suggesting the internals group take this on themselves. = IMO, this is something that the community can take on and offer, and = it=E2=80=99s something that needs to be done before we can expect = significant testing of RCs. Cheers, Ben --Apple-Mail=_47CCC59A-45F4-4EE9-B412-661680E959CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEAREIAB0WIQToXQMR3fpbrPOmEOewLZeYnIwHGwUCXnTlpQAKCRCwLZeYnIwH G9gEAQCH4y70G0fT5ZMIWLj5kBopP97JKAofHaL0d2zwAp8ragD8C4e5QnSKoquo bhH0IsfSav3mwvDWCoxexgzclLxXF10= =rZp7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_47CCC59A-45F4-4EE9-B412-661680E959CB--