Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:109160 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81886 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2020 13:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (76.75.200.58) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2020 13:08:15 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <14383D05-EA33-4CD2-9648-40AA29A837A5@newclarity.net> <5e72b9a7.1c69fb81.7d447.f4f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5e73304d.1c69fb81.7ae48.890cSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5e738dce.1c69fb81.40b8f.3691SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0442938f-4cef-b563-8f35-1cbe9bd75864@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:31:37 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0442938f-4cef-b563-8f35-1cbe9bd75864@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 87.81.129.66 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake? From: marandall@php.net (Mark Randall) Message-ID: On 20/03/2020 04:36, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > As I noted, the default reason is always "the author of the RFC failed > to convince this change is necessary or beneficial". If somebody tries > to sell you something, you may have some specific flaws to point out and > may be even be fixed, or you may not be interested in the idea at all. IMO "You have failed to convince me of the benefits" etc is exactly the kind of feedback that would be beneficial to authors, and by extension the wider process. There's lots of reasons to vote no after all. A vote that is rejected because the majority of those voting against don't see the benefit, has a very different future to one where those voting against had a specific objection that could be fixed with further development. Ultimately what we don't want is people spending lots of time trying to fix things which weren't the actual cause of failure, or worse, feeling fed up and losing interest in future contributions because they've failed and have no idea why. Mark Randall