Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:109116 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72859 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2020 00:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2020 00:01:04 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C067B18065B for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:23:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f51.google.com (mail-io1-f51.google.com [209.85.166.51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f51.google.com with SMTP id o127so10392500iof.0 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=datadoghq.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e4+nomoLc02c0l5tQrkz3lFrzmD4FxtVl5OlaBukx5o=; b=Bs26p0GCWuNIJkJvPhVq/M6Pd0UZfIpriahTaSOBl3H0janqzL2SUlWm5IVpYlEwSj ur92MM6OnrAkoxZHiGtnlhZXKZoWORuGa3pUPD5IcfAHpK1iJjOLcWo6wFiXc/N4r3Qo JC6vwbi+aqdIeikRZlxgE7NGVHHqHjBFse4OI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e4+nomoLc02c0l5tQrkz3lFrzmD4FxtVl5OlaBukx5o=; b=j1PxXQFo1OJ1SGBvNXweWJnA05pazBuWng3GTw3WEDn2rYA5EW9n8zJdcP5u+4l2Zm 1YYxHRGbyFgAuMuxS59kphvx1Z6U3xQz22361tvvOffGTYdX5Qgsrn/ZTKGzbJNfheYa KgI3quWZXaPjBsB9go3V3nxbVih2SPx2Yg+zBdMpAh9sixtRbCZ+BUoC2ElxGChi2gRS KrI4oNh3V/o26yPTAh7ngKXbbyblAfKsGRBnTzcxuQDv5PuHXtinOa9adrImzzuYF7rr RWxcpM1962NlNMd9bkWEf2U1OjlwX1Ogp3vujm3nYLkDkCQZSyT2DUxIbdqDnIibhgZ7 KFIA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ086wOpWqBXIhwiKrAHrSJ3L8XS5g3UXOpFig9wHQr7qunDcpbs 7bhc97CEg+Zrcncy8YQWGRaLLxZriO4ATYcjFJFrNA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vv+BYC8BQoym9RbBq19L5JuZZ21Vj6YrRYXkKA3cwJ9D288QEmbt0kT8HwOJuycmwwIEf+cYUWMV/++AcXHHAU= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:8fd8:: with SMTP id r207mr976314iod.158.1584483828643; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Levi Morrison Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:23:37 -0600 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?TcOhdMOpIEtvY3Npcw==?= Cc: PHP Internals List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Immutable/final/readonly properties From: internals@lists.php.net ("Levi Morrison via internals") Chiming in to express my disappointment that `final` wasn't a voting choice. 1. It's already reserved, so we don't have to worry about a new keyword. 2. Another very popular language that is similar to PHP already uses it (Java). I voted no for a variety of reasons, which includes: - It doesn't support default values, and doesn't defend that choice well in my opinion. - I think clone should be able to change the value. It's similar to a constructor, and in fact I'd call it a "copy constructor." - The property type is mandatory. I am less certain about this, but do not like it. I do appreciate the RFC, but think it needs a bit more work.