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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Argument with default value From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > As it's arisen on the list again, I've written a note detailing my > view of the previous discussion: > > https://github.com/Danack/RfcCodex/blob/master/explicit_defaults.md As the author of that RFC, I am not particularly sure how it can be "improved", as main argument from what I understood has been pretty much "we should do named arguments instead" and as we can all see that isn't happening either. And I don't have time or energy to go through another fight on this. But if somebody wants to, I could possibly help with technical details if necessary (whatever I remember from 5 years ago). -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com