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To: "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones@pmjones.io>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Server-Side Request and Response Objects (v2)
From: Danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd)

Paul M. Jones <pmjones@pmjones.io> wrote:

> Are there any members here who currently expect to vote "no",

The only reason for doing this as C code appears to be make it have
read-only properties. This is a hack that would confuse a lot of
developers, and instantly be added to most lists of "how PHP is bad".

I really think this doesn't belong in core PHP. Tying this into core means that:

- BC breaking changes could only happen on major versions.

- Discussion of those changes would take up a lot of time, or more
likely never happen. See all of our core extensions that are
desperately in need of a maintainer to work on them.

- It might be impossible (or at least annoyingly difficult) to write
code that was compatible with two versions of PHP, if they used this
object.

As you were involved and so know, a huge amount of energy was spent
designing PSR-7, and still it was definitely not a perfect design. The
chances of the design of this API being even as close as PSR-7 was,
seems minimal. Which means that we would be likely to regret bringing
it into core.

For stuff to be added to core, to overcome the burden of supporting in
the future, there needs to be a strong reason to add it. Not just
something that could be done.

In case anyone is interested, there is a book called 'Systemantics'
that's actually quite applicable to open source projects....despite
being written before personal computers were really a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics#First_principles
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Systems-Bible-Beginners-Guide-Large/dp/0961825170/ref

cheers
Dan
Ack