Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:108785 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53776 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2020 19:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2020 19:10:12 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1830180558 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f42.google.com (mail-io1-f42.google.com [209.85.166.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-f42.google.com with SMTP id x1so308220iop.7 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=T7pu5MYmO7QF+H0Agv66GQz9XjqLlq3Jm1N+1sa2NRg=; b=T6MMnXb4VCWvWCJiKNWxoiPR/iOr6ulKFsMDdDnUHpYhSo7K1d68H5dsmUtDGZT8Je SNNvSl0bj539b78tOFBncb7zV9fojdUaz7N881EzS8yzm8jq4C+fRsp+d7hbezFOhCJE YS7WxliRWQj28uRBZSy/S7C7e8E+DQLmBfmsD7Jj5knlRRG5SclDwqXo1Q4iWVsS/GVP EB+2qT9II4Ft76wplRy7TBtyChrnOSiBXInBRuq9/rzhtsj6svPgQihSBHvR+b3zbxlJ f6TEzCc75xlkXyEmCRYot5/G50KM5x9tLy/YjqbjRZgGdMiICypN+pvaXdjcFzprdqRD 9o3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=T7pu5MYmO7QF+H0Agv66GQz9XjqLlq3Jm1N+1sa2NRg=; b=plb8XUQ7+8ndaJBiI6QQycfewcTwxtgaS5F01lgRjk29C/k2VzeOkG9aYgSve/Q2Ou AUDTEnvmkp1S9uorkwbpenni1bqngmYI0ooMgNzKl8fNqj2lFeXwQW+xDC/OQr9CQnKK GR1RBdFeN0wl6roMhiHJwdHenxH6/TbwItBhuIoVUOX4OEkD4NT444KusOe/7yKuV+Oc Y4CJb7sO+kJ0rJMq45Apmvk6qt2F1zQRNxiqnxRSkWw05CvxNmNLrsvGe1jMC5KV+BjX fJg9qhDZIiwMonwPRRv+c9I9cm0h71sXM8Aw2+iZZJrQVVINm/nRaZJ75WflU6maPWtE Niwg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU4iOuktow76zfo+WvQp33DLdqTTKZx3rBD2O/b14/bmJIyw8sS MRpuVA4R2dstSyneE99UvxpaVB0KlDRGX7pvCyca7Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyfMQgD9aYEEKaYB1J9ImaBOw5JQFPSDABZ/agj/dwy3jJQXbzyf639ENXUvRAgP5YffbLtQOFV/zealS3HBzU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:5b1:: with SMTP id b17mr6815811jar.66.1582824483847; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <50BD013E-CF72-414C-BBC0-A7A2E45CBDDB@pmjones.io> <5904137.fSVIMsojiJ@mcmic-probook> <3DDBFBA4-8D3A-46C5-9A10-B093A5E2386B@pmjones.io> <54493258-B52E-442A-A11D-82E1D4C7DE5E@gmail.com> <8264F6CF-AD55-41E2-9F5A-DAE8942E2B79@pmjones.io> <1BF3D29A-04C6-4A82-9216-EAE991A38916@pmjones.io> <10388b3a-3402-a6dc-3837-b03d735edf46@gmail.com> <5ec7b4a7-508b-270b-916f-0504a116196c@gmail.com> <30112AFF-38F9-44D4-9D2F-03A32019764F@pmjones.io> <27F45990-E3AE-4A77-85EC-A2CA1EAC73E4@pmjones.io> <012FB9B5-B2F6-4C2D-9F12-5F5BAC508742@pmjones.io> <0C9E44AC-D939-4398-B9FE-1188FE6DEDAB@pmjones.io> In-Reply-To: <0C9E44AC-D939-4398-B9FE-1188FE6DEDAB@pmjones.io> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:27:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: php internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001a0209059f920b8a" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Server-Side Request and Response Objects (v2) From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) --0000000000001a0209059f920b8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 17:06, Paul M. Jones wrote: > Hi Rowan, > > > On Feb 27, 2020, at 10:57, Rowan Tommins > wrote: > > > > you seem to be happy to just put it out there and see > > Perhaps it was not your intent, but even so: please don't put words in my > mouth. We spoke of this before; quoting myself from < > https://externals.io/message/108436#108650> ... > > > I don't *expect* anything from existing published library authors; > however ... > > > > =E2=80=A2 I *suspect* that some will choose to ignore this extension, > > > > =E2=80=A2 that others will decorate or extend it, > > > > =E2=80=A2 and that still others may find their own work so close to thi= s > extension that they migrate over to it entirely. > > I continue to hold that position. > Perhaps I am over-interpreting them, but the words you choose always seem to me very passive, as though shrugging and saying "it might happen, or it might not". In the exchange quoted above, I can see why "expect" might have felt too strong, but "suspect" is right at the other extreme; do you also "hope", "desire", or "want" people to use it? Regards, --=20 Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] --0000000000001a0209059f920b8a--