Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:108123
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <cvs-account-3379@php.net> <1579002189.732348.2230.nullmailer@php.net>
 <CAOWwgp=cWP3JOG6HQGRyuTFWvO4DATTqPsCXT38GqkHm2ZZxNw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPg3XxLFiwejK8S0H+rKnCy45GvvOeM2C6q47V86MakPqspesA@mail.gmail.com> <C6A229CE-2A6C-4BEC-BC57-E035A11DE08F@stitcher.io>
In-Reply-To: <C6A229CE-2A6C-4BEC-BC57-E035A11DE08F@stitcher.io>
Reply-To: Levi Morrison <levi.morrison@datadoghq.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:26:07 -0700
Message-ID: <CAAKU0umq=LfTrdcuP-C4=a7-BxmH=nyeBtvFQNNuvtKqD9s+Tw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Brent Roose <brendt@stitcher.io>
Cc: Peter Cowburn <salathe@php.net>, Nicolas Grekas <nicolas.grekas+php@gmail.com>, 
	PHP Group <group@php.net>, PHP Internals List <internals@lists.php.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas
From: internals@lists.php.net ("Levi Morrison via internals")

1. The main issue is that the clause for representatives from the PHP
community was never fleshed out. In particular:
  - Which frameworks, cms, tools, etc qualify and what constitutes a
lead developer?
  - How will those with php.net choose these representatives? If it's
by vote, what is the required participation and minimum percentage of
"yes" votes required?

2. It's pretty easy to get a PHP.net account, by the way. I think this
is partly why nobody has cared enough to deal with the politics of
this; if the member wants to vote they can get an account through the
quite low bar of contributing a few improvements to our docs or
website. To help expedite the process, I recommend visiting the PHP
chat room on StackOverflow where quite a few people with internals
knowledge (and importantly, can merge contributions) hang out. If you
want to hack on the PHP.net website, I can show you plenty of warts
that need cleaned up; just ask.

3. Lastly and off topic, I want more contributors to internals or
extensions. Having had to deal with the guts and semantics of the
language helps people understand all sorts of details that are
important that regular PHP users don't understand. I'm not against
having voters who aren't skilled in internals; it's just that the
balance already seems off to me.