Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107984 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 22588 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2020 00:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2020 00:06:02 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B782C180531 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:10:16 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-yb1-f172.google.com (mail-yb1-f172.google.com [209.85.219.172]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id v24so19233314ybd.10 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:10:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=newclarity-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Rc+tm/5XmQPwGPAatJKSqoOUA2Yoy6sb6Wc3httjjVg=; b=leeqz2yD5VlLFrPtw7rR1mouI6MiSXqRpwDdXrlsUOg+RLnttQYiyXDQPQTkJYYzpp PfTdt7Lw8EiXYwovR34j69viRe0edPpvig3c8TxT3vSDJxLv4vm40KKfkDfRzOxFm0za ppU1gustODpLU7/jHXfg6WJ6eqsdjEj9fYeVVEV0Iq7sNrZcHlzaa0gETbV1KyqZMiSr +qFG7zSN/vgQIAf+d+Je0FmlYjQcSow+c4kNgf/iQt87zbcyv0ywjo2j29UK7xOCc0bJ 6umUMPY0KIFdPAwP2sAC9zZJSqfv09P0bwhmilTQb86RmiiaLQas0bllYLDNNzNFczqa TGZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Rc+tm/5XmQPwGPAatJKSqoOUA2Yoy6sb6Wc3httjjVg=; b=O3BvZ8SEKq1xw98yv/KDvEYKQ2wI6VzFCHj654+dxnLfiRMNd/jdwsilafl4V0cEQR ysAM0JM5N4MJWK7c+7ui+2VXOfetBePeebt5TiCUh4lhAa3Er2btRU2irANeaw3GUy6J kb3EVVQDTliZlu+tDLGvS4Z9Tm2s/OQE2rGyh0UFhQnsa73idukNaRjHKM2SNYA34feb d+PBfxVuRu/m/V7n30aurs+sjiehLNRRofwzTdXTPzGFjIIFPzY/ouuHdtbt/qjBuKsf SNw4GdTqVwiZHcQf3dY0TWHHmiJlYc7y+/nDZpJmlBxhgCTDFNeCs3nU9H3CUUuHf3CR Vwbw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUGMVFHHMOmVB7OeoKc4ojvfBhPJ1l0WnRDkTOwpFSHqLaIiMij 3X+ULOx2BlGT7GrvW6C9lzNJyQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqySJRRRkvQ5GqT6bukovR7rp08ghOj72/Sef76F/96TnKu8UONbhUor42tSrQwSEX3KR3DVmw== X-Received: by 2002:a5b:34d:: with SMTP id q13mr17990611ybp.502.1578089414982; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (c-24-131-44-78.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. [24.131.44.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s130sm23990568ywg.11.2020.01.03.14.10.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:10:13 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:10:13 -0500 Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <52CE4FD2-6401-465C-B53B-024BCE8CC6C5@newclarity.net> References: To: Rowan Tommins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Autoloading functions/consts without a performance impact From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel) > On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > However, if we're looking at radical changes of direction, I wonder if we > should instead plan to phase out autoloading itself. Yes. Please. Autoloading is a medicine that is almost worse than the disease. -Mike