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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:05:10 +0100
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To: Matthieu Napoli <matthieu@mnapoli.fr>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using PECL without installing PEAR
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:58 PM Matthieu Napoli <matthieu@mnapoli.fr> wrote:

>
> > Le 15 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 16:03, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> a =C3=
=A9crit :
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:41 PM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:44 PM Matthieu Napoli <matthieu@mnapoli.fr>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing PEA=
R
> > > with PHP is deprecated](
> > > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 <
> > > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101>).
> > > However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses PEAR)=
.
> > >
> > > I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without PEA=
R.
> > > This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it mak=
e
> > > sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR?
> > > That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. Followin=
g
> > > that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR
> would be
> > > a first step.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Matthieu
> >
> >
> > I think that makes sense. The only thing we really want/need from PEAR =
is
> > the "pecl" command, and having a single self-contained phar for that
> would
> > be much better than requiring a global PEAR installation, and allow us =
to
> > change the underlying implementation more easily in the future.
> >
> >
> > Also if there is an interest I can give back some love to Pickle (
> https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle) and ensure it works smoothly up
> to php master or 7.4/7.4+1. The phar releases support pecl.php.net,
> github or any git/directory install of extensions.
> >
> > Best,
> > Pierre
>
> Hi Pierre,
> I spent some time on Pickle as well. The thing isn't maintained, the test=
s
> do not pass, I had a hard time doing anything. I still tried to fix most =
of
> the tests here: https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle/pull/164 but I
> didn't manage to make the CI green. Removing HHVM support did make the co=
de
> much cleaner, and I think I can help as well but I am afraid that nobody
> will merge anything.


Let me check the PR and merge them this weekend :)


If you get the project going again that could be great.
>

I would be more than happy to see it running.  I am lacking time but I can
have some hours here and there to help.

One main thing that could help is listing what's missing. In other words, I
> don't know what to do.
>

See below, the big selling point is to get it to work together with
composer. I did a PR back then but we decided it should be done another
way, which we need to figure out :)

If Pickle works already and just need a green test suite and a new version,
> then maybe we can start with that and then advertise it as a viable
> replacement to PEAR?
>

I created it and then a few took over most of the devs, and yes, it is
thought to fully replace pear/pecl as well as a better together works with
composer (need work on their side but Jordi and I need to sit down to get
it done :)



> Matthieu

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