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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using PECL without installing PEAR
From: matthieu@mnapoli.fr (Matthieu Napoli)


> Le 15 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 16:03, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> a =
=C3=A9crit :
>=20
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:41 PM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:44 PM Matthieu Napoli <matthieu@mnapoli.fr> =
wrote:
>=20
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing =
PEAR
> > with PHP is deprecated](
> > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 <
> > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101>).
> > However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses =
PEAR).
> >
> > I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without =
PEAR.
> > This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it =
make
> > sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR?
> > That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. =
Following
> > that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR =
would be
> > a first step.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Matthieu
>=20
>=20
> I think that makes sense. The only thing we really want/need from PEAR =
is
> the "pecl" command, and having a single self-contained phar for that =
would
> be much better than requiring a global PEAR installation, and allow us =
to
> change the underlying implementation more easily in the future.
>=20
>=20
> Also if there is an interest I can give back some love to Pickle =
(https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle) and ensure it works smoothly up =
to php master or 7.4/7.4+1. The phar releases support pecl.php.net, =
github or any git/directory install of extensions.
>=20
> Best,
> Pierre

Hi Pierre,
I spent some time on Pickle as well. The thing isn't maintained, the =
tests do not pass, I had a hard time doing anything. I still tried to =
fix most of the tests here: =
https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle/pull/164 but I didn't manage to =
make the CI green. Removing HHVM support did make the code much cleaner, =
and I think I can help as well but I am afraid that nobody will merge =
anything. If you get the project going again that could be great.
One main thing that could help is listing what's missing. In other =
words, I don't know what to do.
If Pickle works already and just need a green test suite and a new =
version, then maybe we can start with that and then advertise it as a =
viable replacement to PEAR?

Matthieu=