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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:36:20 -0400
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To: Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> > No. The compromise is funding a ferry system. Or laying Internet between
> > them. Or a passenger pigeon mail route.
> >
> > Sometimes compromise requires deep discussion about the motivations for
> > each side and coming to a lateral, mutually acceptable, solution.
> >
> > But we'd rather not discuss motivations and just bicker about the surface
> > results. I.e., argue the X, rather than the Y, of these little XY
> problems
> > we're solving.
> >
> >
> >
> Build a ferry system is alternative to building bridge. I can see that as a
> compromise, I can also see that as a separate project created to serve
> demand after the the bridge project is rejected. Where a ferry system is
> started because there is still demand for transit, just not enough demand
> to pay for a bridge.
>
> With respect to the backtick proposal, what is the "ferry" project? Do we
> have to come up with one before we can cancel the "bridge" project or can
> we cancel the "bridge" project on its own merits and then discuss a future
> project that solves the actual underlying problem?
>
> "Ferry" projects might be: more/better training on PHP, better
> documentation so that the backtick is no longer an "obscure" feature to
> those that don't have a shell/Unix/Perl background, tooling to warn people
> when they misuse this feature.
>
>
>
To the side that says "There is absolutely no reason we need to go to, or
communicate with, the island in the first place," a ferry project isn't a
compromise. The position of the "anti-bridge" builders isn't because they
are against building bridges - it's because they are against spending
resources on attempts to get to the island in the first place. The other
side might have valid arguments on why we need to get to the island, but,
just proposing different ways to get there isn't compromising with the side
that doesn't want to go there.


> Walter
>
> --
> The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of
> zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.   -- Justice Louis D.
> Brandeis
>


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Chase Peeler
chasepeeler@gmail.com

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