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([2601:c0:c67f:e34e:f1f2:1852:bc7e:92fe]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d63sm30060ywe.55.2019.10.08.13.38.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2019 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B083F19C-DDE1-4FF3-BA49-A06F1684B33F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:38:03 -0400 References: <5d976928.1c69fb81.db3a8.78daSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <413d377a-4ce1-a521-0cb4-5bb37e84c257@gmail.com> <6DFA91F7-0005-453E-A314-A5DFE1A4D3D3@newclarity.net> To: PHP internals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate Backtick Operator (V2) From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel) --Apple-Mail=_B083F19C-DDE1-4FF3-BA49-A06F1684B33F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > a middle ground about/with silliness? there is none, for people in = their right mind; should people really find/force > themselves into conciliation about non-sense? I don't think so and = mostly; I have no say about deprecating that; > but is that a priority? does it harm anyone? someone have died from = backtick infection, it must be according to some? > and so on. Don't see where there is a heated topic; solely a reminder = about reality and facts. > What would a happy medium be? backticks working 50% of the time? > This is like someone being pregnant, either you are or you are not = there is > no half pregnant. Either backticks work like they have in shells for = decades > or they don't work. What's the point of deprecating them without a = plan to > remove them? A notice without future action is a bad idea, as it sets > standard that some deprecation messages will not be acted upon. Well, those are exactly the opposite of the types of responses I had = hoped for.=20 Responses that ignore the concerns of others. Responses that = (implicitly?) insult the intelligence of others. And responses that can = only see things from one myopic perspective. These responses highlight perfectly why discussions on this list are so = contentious. -Mike= --Apple-Mail=_B083F19C-DDE1-4FF3-BA49-A06F1684B33F--