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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:25:54 +0200
To: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>, Dan Ackroyd
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Prevent disruptions of conversations
From: brendt@stitcher.io (Brent)

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internals=40 needs what every community needs: proper moderation. Moderat=
ors are no dictators who will force their opinion on how the language is =
shaped, nor will they silence people with fear. This is no alien concept =
on the internet, and nothing ground breaking or disruptive is being propo=
sed.

Now even though not directly mentioned in the R=46C, everyone who has bee=
n following internals=40 for the last three months knows exactly who and =
what the R=46C is aimed at. My fear is that this discussion will end the =
same way almost all R=46C discussions ended these past months. That's so =
much time and effort wasted for such a simple thing that almost every com=
munity knows how to handle.

Simply appoint some people who have proven they can keep their calm in th=
e past, and act with common sense when it comes to interpersonal communic=
ation.

The next step would be to provide a proper CoC =E2=80=94 a problem that m=
any OSS communities also have solved already, so no need to invent the wh=
eel =E2=80=94 though I fear that proper moderation will be needed in orde=
r to have a constructive discussion about a CoC.

After all of that, we can finally focus on things that matter again: buil=
ding PHP.

Kind regards
Brent
On 19 Sep 2019, 19:19 +0200, Dan Ackroyd <Danack=40basereality.com>, wrot=
e:
> Hi internals,
>
> Here is an R=46C to =22Prevent disruptions of conversations=22
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/prevent=5Fdisruptions=5Fof=5Fconversations=3Fd=
o=3Dedit
>
> A couple of notes:
>
> * although the R=46C would only be applicable to messages sent once it
> might be approved, it would still be nice if people consider how their
> messages affect other people before then.
>
> * any inappropriate messages sent privately to me have a very high
> chance of being replied to on the internals list.
>
> * everyone should bear in mind this R=46C might gain more attention fro=
m
> people outside the PHP internals community than normal.
>
> * I think this solution isn't going to be a great one, and that it
> would be better if we had a less controversial way to address
> non-productive behaviour. If someone wants to start a discussion on
> replacing this R=46C that would be great, but as I said in the R=46C in=
 my
> opinion this is a needed short term solution.
>
> cheers
> Dan
> Ack
>
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