Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107239 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 3707 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2019 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2019 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DD52D2048 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-pg1-f180.google.com (mail-pg1-f180.google.com [209.85.215.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-f180.google.com with SMTP id s1so1215424pgv.8 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:10:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ManNGU22pUQFsNSRYSb5GSxPwjIJO9ZXmXUTE1D9Ruw=; b=NEIHOcU5dsLUUE41nJDy4+j7HyfVGjIJowlZkgg/UW2+oQUtnSk6p45tDsUwSa1iWA BZf7TcP0ZLIr6I/D3IJ7KXquFqLaY3FU40RfVUnTjTFgJDjI6qYQcJGBj1Gxv0IUMis0 GGTqLVAGukDciUJYNvQBIFmJOiAEl6vNU0fz8Qvg71xTC9VvQFd1hTzKUsow6AvDoZe2 knOSGMlYSIzTMKnqSeHWlXtoYBUiYIPvrzxOp8mosLrUL2LlGmt74fieakBqzV5GFjDg kpeu2c3x/XDAXsn4pWCXqs4WYTQzWpshu7bJDB0Bb8xg5sBjGQTaqCDm5nTVrOH3JLAG DSMg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVKt7MLQjYfPwzgy2NA6Ux099ewc3J9v5xVtUg7LcC80FFNWeb6 2wimJ68ho2CyqQqVYZb5699WmL7KbXDI1V0ZtMk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyAZMdjMpinXdC/AIACBzp1qevmCic/EEsmF+BulyKXDSYDF1tfdj1ZeTrUTXDpZslkK4iZFPkilRpi7UXQRII= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:1c7:: with SMTP id 7mr5124165pjd.95.1568916617526; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 21:10:08 +0300 Message-ID: To: Chase Peeler Cc: Dan Ackroyd , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Prevent disruptions of conversations From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen) Den tor. 19. sep. 2019 kl. 20.38 skrev Chase Peeler : > So, in other words, if the majority of core members decide they want to > force strict typing in PHP 9, and non-core PHP developers voice their > opposition to such a change, there would be nothing to prevent those core > members from voting to suspend the non-core members from the list, except > to hope that such power wouldn't abused? That is correct. What it seems to me like you are hinting here is that no Core Developer is listening to the community at large feedback, which is simply not true. I do not see the latter part of your question as an issue if you got nothing to hide. In the time the PHP project has been going, then I think less than a handful of people have been banned from Internals, one of them being Reindl who still keeps messaging people off list (as you most likely remember from some of the previous debates you have taken part of). So given that track record, along with how the project philosophy generally is, I do not see abuse being a problem, even the sligtest. If you think that not having a say by not having the right to vote, then I advise you to contribute by code to earn it like all of us have. -- regards, Kalle Sommer Nielsen kalle@php.net