Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107180
Return-Path: <mikeschinkel@gmail.com>
Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net
Received: (qmail 37829 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2019 22:20:35 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12)
  by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2019 22:20:35 -0000
Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644642CC1BE
	for <internals@lists.php.net>; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
	DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,
	SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2
X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16
X-Spam-Virus: No
Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31])
	(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS
	for <internals@lists.php.net>; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id m143so491267ybf.10
        for <internals@lists.php.net>; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
        h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references
         :to;
        bh=6KkPAlhj+w/QqoNMheWr/+6KwVD9LL21d9vCXTzHEgM=;
        b=ayAEInHnACu5CL9W0nqL/EF78xrvMOTwIngVFZAJ1z+poxuzaCerfXLJaho19C5eBZ
         BBpdrPazbLT0b+rvoPqpmWHFrlzdJyk28JIYhsX8M6kbUGDMBJWqBoZyMy1MJo7NEfeb
         HHfOrwC4C/E9xnFRfkW9aKC+RfmzM0qtxFxPbwardCWOSO+ua+DTjkPNC8zbo/Rv8Mlt
         W9LbXsDUgJrFRsWG4aCA63J9Miq4PbcJh1ZsQscIuG5c5o5dxd7kzFi+MEp2A0nBse5L
         g6euQdVuUceb/LX5WAGJskQcuDY9gCY73jLTLn/kSJkFiHN+fIdK/d13hUsilgB/LLYT
         DhgQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
        h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc
         :message-id:references:to;
        bh=6KkPAlhj+w/QqoNMheWr/+6KwVD9LL21d9vCXTzHEgM=;
        b=W668C6bpWTK6vGo1v8U/q0UzzVzZeEZgkWU4AXNX5WE59bPYFiB7FH9ztAAkhNh5I5
         B3efCXZ/brmdJaF1LueZQquALFsuN295vxFx4eNp089hqUwYcAUMZ1EmZcMftPTPTfuZ
         Vv6VlO3wzX9HFcAbnojJ7/nDYoy5n7JC0wud8Jlx9A7d375xiiqbJ/2+BUlAVkr1lecE
         jY6lnEBAy4eMlz/7FnddpZc5vS8eoD1/V9gzk2XTlaNQ5ItCuoQsjuTfQRpm+qT1bwAR
         ompUczolvV8oegGGlpyIE8vCX0qvKvbgp211maEFSgLc08ReE2EgIP0L+3JuvdS2ZdL9
         NbSQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXv3KUQBdKJx3dD8bTNjL5SKttE9nIPBrJV7aFAaIqjESNQdJ5t
	3BEdkftJrUWudI9JNdfjo+h1MkOb0aQ=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwmVnpwq55NwarfpdUWiCljemalCVHHVtBt30ngLMqZZRRx1KXqXJbRuID9MJybPUextoAQwQ==
X-Received: by 2002:a25:9a43:: with SMTP id r3mr838957ybo.48.1568663852514;
        Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ?IPv6:2601:c0:c67f:e34e:f4e5:82c9:8e75:5377? ([2601:c0:c67f:e34e:f4e5:82c9:8e75:5377])
        by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n85sm8050322ywd.17.2019.09.16.12.57.30
        (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
        Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT)
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_5ADF4E8A-3C08-4EAC-A1BD-5596F6F31091"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\))
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
In-Reply-To: <61037.4e385490.1568656659.nsm@avilys.eik.lt>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:57:29 -0400
Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
Message-ID: <3EF0B0F0-E62F-43C7-B198-C0165FE685C3@gmail.com>
References: <F1E4D4E4-57E1-4B27-B6D2-81E9BA6B096D@gmail.com>
 <61037.4e385490.1568656659.nsm@avilys.eik.lt>
To: Tomas Kuliavas <tokul@users.sourceforge.net>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)
X-Envelope-From: <mikeschinkel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's declining(?) popularity
From: mikeschinkel@gmail.com (Mike Schinkel)

--Apple-Mail=_5ADF4E8A-3C08-4EAC-A1BD-5596F6F31091
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8

> On Sep 16, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Kuliavas =
<tokul@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>=20
> If you claim that language is good or popular while being slow, you =
are
> not telling where this language is used.=20

To be clear, I was only quoting the top level points for each of those =
articles, for full transparency. And that point was only made in one of =
numerous articles, and not one I generally agree with. =20

Instead the point I was trying to emphasize was "simple and easy to =
use."

So, maybe do not shoot the messenger for dropping off an outlier letter =
while delivering the special delivery package, please? =20
And maybe go leave your comment on that blog post, instead?  :-)

-Mike


>=20
>=20
> 2019.09.15 06:32 Mike Schinkel ra=C5=A1=C4=97:
>> =
https://medium.com/@trungluongquang/why-python-is-popular-despite-being-su=
per-slow-83a8320412a9
>> 1. End-users just don=E2=80=99t care (about slower performance)
>=20
> Which means that your code is running data processing and not =
interactive
> user facing frontend. Put 10 second delay in your web page and ask
> viewers, if they care.
>=20
> If you claim that language is good or popular while being slow, you =
are
> not telling where this language is used. Super slow interactive =
frontends
> are not acceptable even if it is reality in corporate world. Designers =
of
> such slow frontends are thinking about features that they have to put =
in
> there and not about user experience or how to implement those features
> without making end user drink five coffee cups to fill one form.
>=20
> --=20
> Tomas
>=20
> --=20
> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>=20


--Apple-Mail=_5ADF4E8A-3C08-4EAC-A1BD-5596F6F31091--