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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:01:03 +0300
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Eberlei <kontakt@beberlei.de>, Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>, 
	PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Defining the PHP Group
From: kenashkov@gmail.com (Vesselin Kenashkov)

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> The only thing I dislike a lot is the general tone of these
> discussions, that should be different, that makes me sad and really
> not willing to participate in any way.
>
> Hi everyone,
I just want to second that feeling of Pierre. Im a userland developer and
just wanted to express that as a person outside internals following the
recent discussions, Im really sad for the reason of the tone used, the
amount of human/brain energy used/wasted in these and as someone mentioned
already it may happen certain developers to abandon the project due to all
that. And this is the last thing I would say we all want (both internals
and externals).

In regards to the 2/3 majority - I would say that in case the minority
opposition is very strong (like in the votes on short tags and warning
levels) isnt it possible to reach a compromise? Like acknowledging the vote
but postpone the implementation for another major version? I understand the
majority rule and the rules of the democracy but again according these
rules even when certain decision passes through and there is still very
strong opposition compromises are sought after.

With the above Im not trying to push my point over the specific RFCs - I
fully understand the implications there and have an option on these but
this is offtopic. At this point considering how much stress these have
caused I would say I got to the point that Im fine with either of the
votes/implementations as long as the PHP team doesnt suffer any harm in
terms of loss of people or massive waste of brain effort.

And I understand that this topic is about the governance of the project
etc... just wanted to bring the attention of the group to the fact that
even on 2/3 in certain cases compromises may be needed and this to be taken
into account when deciding on the governance/voting process.

Thank you all

Vesko Kenashkov

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