Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107163 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19081 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2019 12:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2019 12:46:16 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201EB2C9424 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id r17so6985983wme.0 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nGIWlvIXG0sF5et/eLISa0Sz/k5C6SkopPlFrAh3/qs=; b=jdtBlpdqwSi7VWxX3FOtaxhAzYo3xgZsckmygPqLo0dkNMi8WjLlhdW33EC3Y3VuRK CEGw7v/lXgnVds64Htqhccz3OkXc9rPIQLf5jwPA5BzClsl+zp9ynfWk99ByZ+9N8PrO fJj3r3eKJuy8W7P7YyNWtmP16NL13GfIEeuKPwtwDrwOm+AkFrrgUq5X1cONx8H86jsL ggPvWX96s9ciDvY8rBNULjydt8Ug/hQN/o/d3K2SNE9PsHdgY9mv0Zp4lSETGtXVrprK c29Y7HWgN1H4+T3KYRa6xwbnS/PHNPRC7RfoDaxf9149PQjlsnoV/pEhrkAOfoaI/mht dzww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nGIWlvIXG0sF5et/eLISa0Sz/k5C6SkopPlFrAh3/qs=; b=k3O6NBro6P86tzoMXfyca8yAVLtJnXowvzYT8Yre0QQtlGNR3qDkgGptXQSeJXfG0N L6cso5RKjc5hUsQyXSHbhGemOYOBAp0G4JMw6eGfTJfcqYSl/L3jrt8vqfd18ju+1g4O quIF697drpk7GAe4VBNGv8fOC94Er8vP7O4bBirD5YsphMgws0/oEsnxiMZBMAuR8jju jMldLsG/V6ukYKz9JIoOd+IqmdmDE0+HEbjbcAAJvZb9Is6X2wET9VO2WcpnyWPY0ims DooYnxN6tnbyEsxQQJx1UkznlGVz5ehmlglCx6gCJ3WEvSGnIYNvJan4MtR5cR1ZEl8J QUZg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXxQ4gMD2pMblALnbNwvi7eSVPFjRFTtWD4wFDUawLWst4h1xV6 vYVFUm/SbYvP/xB/xlovqWZ57z6sEWiBHbG/o08= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy8Rl9kgN3eZJRnbn5qyu0v4hrqp9b9IzTQwGZg7QpHiAyt0Teoh+gwz+MJ5V+KoQF6sW8B9XkgoscFvcc3UHg= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c319:: with SMTP id k25mr14069148wmj.48.1568629387484; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:22:54 +0700 Message-ID: To: Benjamin Eberlei Cc: Zeev Suraski , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Defining the PHP Group From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:18 PM Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > We heard you repeating the RFC process isn't applicable very often now, but > a productive way forward needs to take it into account to make any change > in governance. > > For many of the current contributors RFC+Voting process is the only visible > process that was applied and has been used to make changes to the language > in the last 8 years. > > Even if it was not originally envisoned by you or Pierre to be usable for > deprecations or to amend itself, that is what is has been used for the last > few years. I correct this. I did not mention anything alike. Only that legal (not a lawyer but been there done that), I only listed two things that can definitely not be done via RFCs, at least not until the license and the assignment of this license is as it is now. For the rest, I tend to fully agree with the general feeling, I am totally fine to use the RFC to change itself, the language or whatever. The only thing I dislike a lot is the general tone of these discussions, that should be different, that makes me sad and really not willing to participate in any way. Best, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org