Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107138 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 52813 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2019 09:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2019 09:23:54 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633B42C6B13 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MALFORMED_FREEMAIL, MISSING_HEADERS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id r5so3616924wrm.12 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:00:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:cc:from:message-id; bh=TjaKV4q73W0Y2Z4UnVPZNrHUSz4PfR4o2DCMwKVXmVc=; b=mxUPjWbI/SHWhxK3UzuVus1hzOFJQE2mSfa0xd7q7VeYPJOPFQG3Ier6On2wizNhYN VGBR9g6r8uWiMVbuR/rQVxxtTbjhZNTrnKbFzrSINLscsiYqCOvOemJmOEzB50u+PXNO LCySWjRuMDrQQmyutPBI0MEnw8m1PzFhtjrsETFRHqKYnJ4gJm6GtF/RCQyNekJEN5Ov 7SR5rQDu8r51c4y51fUd31tt8YVLmoli5f6MWRVWDnA9aHfU+ZBiQIOLQP1S9gs2lD/I HBfOH5nNQ46NaCYGsf94vfNCDW09xBbitJohKJwukDj/7NxIvGw+jdWfV6gDEly2/PME 7WRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:cc:from:message-id; bh=TjaKV4q73W0Y2Z4UnVPZNrHUSz4PfR4o2DCMwKVXmVc=; b=icyZhHq/MHcaP6JpJ7fo8N/nrVgTo6jTNrmLEnhQcw7bZ04XnVKOJjIEBSzfi/dfEe yh+cjqNHOjj8p8EfesqXyiH3lUlxJA3a7/28w8468YF/hyNGMs3+QNEon7meCnH/C2Q2 Xls1yoPm2b/ydNfwwZ5jwWbfUlR9x/UHHWqIeX+gvaFeL2rXcEPikJrP/C7hnYFtoCX/ M/J+jOURoiP2zj1nok/rbdE6s6csWx/rBcYeDe/+onn2HTLVxkwr7pPvKTvP7uF7+xs1 NSAS/uCG6SwluWfrugl/SsOxTp4+2uQ5sWhNSx/0dg/kSlpL6ubBn6aiXW20qgneuBqb lKZA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU/VxN0dsVnEDfsUcygFqwh+xLAlAP44Obgvtl1Nav5GzlJT0Ku r76Wdnr5j7gGJ0jXeUiTCVesEK8q X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzcJoBkppkkPpxj11WRzj4GvEArQgfJVqXO3Nt3ccTDKbaXvbY+DVdwVmsH70xAcO/OrmRoyg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e485:: with SMTP id i5mr46625082wrm.175.1568617241604; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (cpc84253-brig22-2-0-cust114.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.108.141.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q10sm75786388wrd.39.2019.09.16.00.00.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:00:37 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <472D3E22-18D9-4C25-8961-C1DDEF482981@newclarity.net> References: <472D3E22-18D9-4C25-8961-C1DDEF482981@newclarity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CC: PHP Internals List Message-ID: <83969BA7-706A-4A33-9FA9-3806FA225B04@gmail.com> X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: Features related to Object Initializers From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 16 September 2019 04:13:24 BST, Mike Schinkel wr= ote: > >> On Sep 14, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Rowan Tommins >wrote: >> I think that's only true because you've actually proposed a number of >related but different features=2E > > >See my other email to the list asking about what is in-bounds and what >it out-of-bounds regarding RFC discussion=2E > >I seemed logical to me to discuss how to improve an RFC, but maybe what >you are saying is that we are only suppose to discuss RFC as it exists >today in order to give a black and white, up or down vote on the entire >RFC? That seems counter-productive, but if that is the case and others >concur then so be it=2E I'll try to reply in detail later, but to clarify, I was not saying that y= our message was off topic=2E What I was saying was that what you described = as one feature with lots of applications seems to me like lots of features = with overlapping syntax=2E There's nothing wrong with that, but it means that we don't get some of th= e stated benefits unless/until all the features are implemented, and I thin= k it's useful to break down what each feature gives on its own=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]