Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107126 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56084 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2019 01:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2019 01:04:58 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F9A2CBF5F for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLY,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-oi1-x22d.google.com (mail-oi1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id k9so5833614oib.7 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xNPjMLnRBAnFtLxDUZ10Byrdw9VtKTYeEbyF/aI3YNU=; b=fU34cEW4JytE1ZM23cCZ/oDy8rF4TxWiOR+BzFmzeOUYSu4pJ4slJKGmQblDCentxe CMr3PvLO9h9xHttoY5C1cOwNg3/3joSOwdtd7fjnXE0ceNUNfO5BTx8v7ZLNDf/VXXpC kx9cJL4WqZyjtEMoPsUanXYfmipvH2KGK3qJMuhLjNnxhCYL8iMVoJ3L7pnOhxJYJN7d 7FoShIiec8sut6MoFhONvrIumlCKdd5L5DptEAKRxnpH/LaIB16nm/0Mc10C5DQzaFOR oddxkYVddS6EsZbj3Yf6XXzk7VRNE4Z2kyQj75bYA6UvXGKTBSwmQ2orcn27HM2bVBBp rB6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xNPjMLnRBAnFtLxDUZ10Byrdw9VtKTYeEbyF/aI3YNU=; b=nqKyTCW5eEpMdPvGsndFZYepr2uYcm0LPiNs3llg2tqKLi54XtUBLV3QAx4L3RZbpJ GGqpNeeCDYZQzUp0oMmN3F/sV8zl2IFkxkWqrfE+qKCilug1PAgbyuDfLGhuEwY2DPAe 4fDKJ/+jWgiQXoS9JXw+aRa+DKb4kRQaKcP5RbF+8kf39FiwIzLCaZxlRss0kc1g17BE M64znhdYsA6Pg0HTb6l4GpTBvk7jrcZzmToGv/SykDWDiuL3fbN/HSFBxFMwzkciu+uQ kJnI8Wrw0y0JEKcwHKp00JxvBEZ5q4lQLFOn18ycpIEMfVivxz9y1DfuiYr89ObYIJAF 7UJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUirOxH5GQjt66WQeao3iwDQaLwGa1lZFIXcgQo7v03HdBLkUIC rMaZeFMQs9cR4iQuXQsdgHS9H72cM//Kt9mlrMn36A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzxCLXf4E2vYN4NprD3FfDmyHalPD8k+G1ztNved2jYO7+FAnnHODiRpB+mQ/0w5EuhcQXHyFYE3TQbQ836pEo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:24b:: with SMTP id m11mr11582004oie.45.1568587301461; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:41:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3cb49f31-34c1-3c81-3bc4-5cf3b6f52d99@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 23:41:28 +0100 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e722e305929f30ee" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Defining the PHP Group From: oludonsexy@gmail.com (Olumide Samson) --000000000000e722e305929f30ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 11:41 PM Olumide Samson wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 8:33 PM Stanislav Malyshev > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> > Does anyone object to any of those words ? >> >> Yes. I do not think precommitting to implement anything that has been >> put on wiki and passed the vote is a good thing. Its a good conflict >> resolution mechanism when we're talking about where or not to implement >> certain technical feature. But IMO it would be terrible as a sole >> governance mechanism for the whole project. >> >> > Do we need to vote on changing the introduction (I'm happy to start an >> rfc >> > for this, if necessary) ? >> >> I don't think RFCs were meant to essentially remake all project >> governance structure. > > > Hi Stanislav, I would expect you to reply with what can be done, not > saying the RFC is not meant to do this and that, my common sense is telling > me you are either deliberately omitting some details on what the process > would be, if not the RFC. > > Everyone else - what was the process that brought about the RFC? > > If its mails through the mailing list(that brought about the RFC), then > mails with majority agreed on signify the changes required to change the > RFC itself. > > I don't like it when people say parliament was created by constitution yet > the parliament can't still change constitution; then what else can change > the constitution, maybe voice vote? > > The RFC was created years ago and IMO can't be there forever, so what > would change it? The RFC itself recently changed some scope of itself. > > GCC would call this bootstrapping > > They were meant for solving technical questions, >> not governance model. >> I am not sure which way would be the best (haven't thought about it) but >> certainly neither just putting some words on wiki nor voting on it >> within the RFC process looks like a good way to do it. >> >> -- >> Stas Malyshev >> smalyshev@gmail.com >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> --000000000000e722e305929f30ee--