Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107118 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19977 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2019 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2019 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D852C0544; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS8560 212.227.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1568577919; bh=vllYJ7s9ir1AZ/fEPysUSJCBSYlnHOFPM1MYSunOzWw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NYRdAnZkFwCdNW/OvnGevBLEA/ByGP2wR2OLo/nx5Sx9vs/izB1S6w9oCeiN3XC3n QBrPso0BJmYOZyP5xVWssgluYfVSOJ0c6xvmFa1RDD4laUnXPyiDrEnOgLaNpy6/bW TEwtj/blPPIpzQHnl1xez+XzebZ2I7iMVctgoOSU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.2.144] ([84.179.236.50]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2ckv-1iQIhu1TxF-00sJFR; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:05:19 +0200 To: Stanislav Malyshev , Joe Watkins , PHP internals , rasmus@php.net References: <3cb49f31-34c1-3c81-3bc4-5cf3b6f52d99@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81ddcae0-51e4-62b4-5990-38d796d666e2@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:05:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cb49f31-34c1-3c81-3bc4-5cf3b6f52d99@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MGEpUI4j9xlprnJuWeyB6gmVVHtrv4ggwpb2zJuzxOkE5fOsEoT lpZTlBXzyBnSXWb2jd5D559sOSfsSN+50/1W9/7/4lkDu/b9Qi1KOl44SsqCmzD46r13tBV sGysw0pxiss02a//AGkZuztl6t4rxogEMd3MlYJl5XWoqBIf8x0wdy2dJzuVKWokdOGAK8H OV886KES5ZOKMyTGrDijQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:omxqSXn32Sk=:wJFjbxnbhlqUWnGIb7krdn 7g/FQrOuptaoRxrDne4RPrh2JnIF6zxuLD/CRfJeY1DOt/VG/Kp2zIe82cqRTr6COvl2btw7e 907DPfAGPozMwxTBKl14Mtns/j7909E1o6+t0oauQXPn+wydCo+y144vxFw6mfHCHPwrXiMCQ HMDN789iFboNTWYDLJf46QugHigirCKKjI1nvqAP6biPTuPNbUTicOcl2gjzsqBpO2LQ0DkEU N+RfgySlRKWOZaWWG7/4NdAWkwthuE+PpiNTEsI/9belxAwCDoBvTJjm2U7rgg+O8jZJ8JGKe Yi2SYgOjeEttpE+NR1zoD0LkiF0mYwr4BL03RMbGQFogF45W9Ua8ieLnpEthsA8iDpUTk4zfb t3l0IOeK1EvrnGjRWEID5BSABtAmCdyG14UTafFHWeB65YcBa69lI+Qiv8ChfBalXk13wecgQ EF2cg3Cubp1Km8hPgu+CrjVxWex+TvuiXpoUTPXHIj9ZwuqImw9hKaiDsg1WD870xTrwrFMiF FBvLnRJiP+XrWuWCR8HnszDQy2HUNNjkT6Iv9IHJJyXyWbSnE6WIOrUenhnh9bnl3Vq/W0UXa zRFYjvetPNt7kMwS2TC9f7A0HuhP86jOS4NS72vGnh7gkC2T5q0k8uP+O7Mx2OqL1Jx3hEapp FNGzg6uIBS+nehCTkh+S/rfsR4YqOYOCIDYPk9sM91S0PXKdaCv8g7for8HkmSdhOSR4Gv4QK GwRllE9LjV2KZPfnZubtKh12adrI0EgYRbHbjwM6eaIe0enTzyRJQuVhvnMNSNJuRfuC9O/DF ejn4Mqdu5D3YMdK2ezXEf0VOjt5w8+Y/f0GDpeN74Avqm8zvmOEePmdc/+nq0MBvm+vAABWXj hsxfv2t16wTDqE4CScDFAiv/frKwXwRUBG+mo3dEV0PwZzWiryiq6fvpxXega19GxY2HMVLQA fTUhwGKpyjj5hawUby/zrK7tG6gdFc6dq6bFrvvI+hQP0qTLIhhRBhmqzbWJUYW6LLXhzm8IL dGO/6Y3G6xeNp4m5QYceh2Ee/aPcqXP9epffPrLo3w67Ek3XPNi4hXmf38dkNNgp7ODAEQKea TScioqrMhehdvkyAxI4O1o5+ryCjr4MVW/18E1kQNqxWNs9CLdSrDApmKXmnL44LuZA52LSS2 pEYLdQnWKzMVHH2dvgiFGMhct8FksMOeiYWdHh2DcgZkXTdRQxR+qsNO9hC3q3Jd4qQB/z10N P6QtauHKFpaAmYv+oFq+UAVGiA7y7I/YFDirtVHEasTcRVJ5e3CTQrTQ4hiQ= X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Defining the PHP Group From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker") On 15.09.2019 at 21:33, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> Do we need to vote on changing the introduction (I'm happy to start an = rfc >> for this, if necessary) ? > > I don't think RFCs were meant to essentially remake all project > governance structure. They were meant for solving technical questions, > not governance model. Then we should undo all changes (as far as possible) caused by the RFCs listed in the Process and Policy section[1], probably starting with the Voting (aka. RFC) process RFC itself, which by the way, states as introduction since its very first version from 2011 (emphasis mine): | This document describes the procedure to propose an *idea* for | adoption by the PHP community and decide if the community accepts or | rejects the idea. Thanks, Christoph [1]