Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107102 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23065 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2019 14:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2019 14:00:27 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AD32D19AB for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id w6so6096051oie.11 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wEjst23LqrT8+4adt0HnCkLLJ1uVSb0vYY+bbwg/OdI=; b=l010gRmdD8967aXo/NXoNU171y5pdpfN02HUxQcA0GxtOQlAGd1zrnyrsjhUeUQCCL t2Y0veFZd3LbjB+s8wBT4aA12Bvi/GrFGbxuvXxtq3mojzRmaPe1N5tKLi39qFL7oIg2 /inarVvFH1tGq+XL2ftS03F4dqB8JjEHsNLvWL0uxVvxNwFICGEGyRrzMvdCWi0O971d TEnV1EqpizQiFltLfFsG7kyulQDkE2VkxFg4giFD7svdOeJrKwAl9/e3N03ycx9k9d6q BdpUqKeAJ2aCLtThbdUpI8YtenFb92nAVqs+hV0ukJktRYtYIG5WCoKPE8iUwyXlJGa/ S8kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wEjst23LqrT8+4adt0HnCkLLJ1uVSb0vYY+bbwg/OdI=; b=S21iEz2CMDt0nVttc/VX1Ewsnw1s27t97ZRCMkFN+9wFaycx8F9G0nCrhgoJpERbRL 2NW2YCdM5zXf3y6WlZPiZM+gfDBhA1YqHTvr5FklRengnHjx5W/ZIjCuFvvOpzeCqgac 0cIjcM2S/Uia/Vz3yCMIJYJ+3jywoaYH8gJHWQj5ffHYHm8eMHymMpZdOKTokBh0yYiQ CwcCCeH0O+3NEsMwHU3/h+fvUM+GlKwKrNzeoNAlsCbrGbwPGBmWWewk/4j9kLU5e76O Uj2l58K3FEv3DmaSCL06rfj9Zl6hebu7B5FmE/JctyZ8DwGmcs9EnGfXy3zcbi9kFYLG Mtbw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWLZNoQX3M+4Pv8MsmQw+6uxUDNWrykl1AoJBGO5Z8IjLybZruV CRnIe3nc0Ye5Jr8L6DFEkjSTgZdY X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqykNi5b/cRsuVYbVprNNYysKVZuzHeLnnVhFzE4CsLF2rIGMaB7VteSezaR92Ch+LT2jUIahQ== X-Received: by 2002:aca:5e06:: with SMTP id s6mr10265562oib.171.1568547423398; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com. [209.85.167.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 38sm10680165otw.28.2019.09.15.04.37.02 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id e18so1886206oii.0 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:ba57:: with SMTP id k84mr1182872oif.167.1568547422279; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:36:26 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Joe Watkins Cc: PHP internals , rasmus@php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eb3707059295e7c9" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Defining the PHP Group From: phpmailinglists@gmail.com (Peter Bowyer) --000000000000eb3707059295e7c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 06:48, Joe Watkins wrote: > The Wikipedia states that PHP is developed by the PHP Group, in saying this > it is (must be) referring to internals as a whole, but our own > documentation names members of the group - who aren't even around mostly. > > I think we need to clarify what exactly is the purpose of the PHP Group > today, does anyone want to attempt to do that ? > Joe, I applaud this move. As a non-American and so used to a different legal system, I have a further point I would like clarified: the PHP website and PHP license say "Copyright the PHP Group" (https://www.php.net/copyright.php, https://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt). How can an undefined group have copyright vested in it? And more importantly, how would it defend or deal with a copyright infringement if "The PHP Group" is not a recognised group or legal entity? Peter --000000000000eb3707059295e7c9--