Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107082 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46520 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2019 17:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2019 17:27:11 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3A62C6CD1 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id g19so29724531otg.13 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Eor7BeChirksNjCkYi+VRrd62b5CK03+NHtRzJ+8UAc=; b=nkVO+5y0dBhmdZgLNBf5V7nEZfbLSeeBpUWmwUgWIeYiRcxXiHVDscmLoR9OCkbDOs 8r+MeijrShcMhCLd0L4OCs6LPUMFoYdQYdt5pnj01boqCpMhsVd9iu8hspEl3Snm1GwM F0S6vrZAMcl6H1rZWrS1VmyM/nHrXcr0ZHJ2uOw/ouEP0B4TckeGrAPsUXHsNFehqxfW cwx3Uk1yKQL4rsALNts3Iifwkbpl905pbKucInGgtyD4MJldhEG27+W+EQnXC7G6aaCb +Yru8bP9VICx05Fnnn74mVB2FKsEd2UC+tNCSdyJHz5adg/CX08HykgqJuYu0hebep8N HNBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Eor7BeChirksNjCkYi+VRrd62b5CK03+NHtRzJ+8UAc=; b=S+Fif2duVuuQHBqDGvMd6ZWeoHceHGNAsmVCw34wwznCq0+TCizxTva+lTcdBiGxqZ vFiTYnfGWGwMx7BolzDWJTKeJS1P5yt/sIInuF4ADcLgo9Zx6L04bngM/pcMX+lB9dGc YDAzBQp17YU9y03b0deDVM1FvCFlYEx8B6t9zU/5g1tJl1L8C1Bjt6RxOrBK7mHKpNVw dlD4nU9Mvb5NO/CKRm7snGxqOFjMHbUNxPu3DSbORc/31Ow/WJg2be0mbCvwC/ggRmXr la7RZnUAArQZobfpD3QEEN4rd+ZUT53CAUyYf02L+E4mEmOxP50khUgdF0TKFp0glnFl 4DuA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVkX3Va0N1HZcllvJaHKZ9DzO87RiYiKTwlBwxMH904MEmHP6VZ /Abbkh2Zfem5UV3SSEUvvTdKnIAXDsQg3F8wJQ4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxEIlGllKx7PZkvP+hw2CGKyfZcwnXmkumKt5p/OEwnRm4Cbk81anOU+78x8icp1IrxgH4XIHs8KB0Rw/CgCjU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5e11:: with SMTP id d17mr18530379oti.135.1568386999215; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:02:47 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f56b280592708dc8" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP From: oludonsexy@gmail.com (Olumide Samson) --000000000000f56b280592708dc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 3:10 PM Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Lots of drama on internals lately. Not that different from 15-20 years ago. > A couple of things to keep in mind for everyone. > > It is not that hard to write a tool that perfectly fits your own needs and > people who are very similar to you in terms of skillset, background and > overall experience. What PHP has always strived to do is to be much broader > than that. Writing a tool that is very approachable to beginners that can > still scale to some of the largest sites in the world is a much harder and > more interesting problem and requires some compromises on both ends. > > The people writing the code get to call the shots, for better or worse. In > the beginning I called all the shots. As more people started to contribute > it took me a while to let go and accept contributions I didn't agree with. > We wouldn't be here today if I hadn't done that. Sorry if I'm asking the wrong question, was this quote/line intended for Zeev? Since the people currently writing the code(majority of them) are calling some shots lately and he don't seem to want to agree to any of it democratically. -Rasmus > --000000000000f56b280592708dc8--