Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84063 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2019 23:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2019 23:59:20 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371A02D1FC4 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id k13so43206241ioj.1 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ocuf0D0DFXN5o2oMQ8048WF1chHIOW4t4NNZIleCinc=; b=FjVYjpbZvcMTY64XsQ2prGj1g31WAUC1hhV9ggmLf/XpUGfINbcW8R2kzmHZ2E4Vgj qK8BrmkH4ru04hlTIdAWcuvGWAehHN2aEc6p28f7oT6H2T/IKmBlatomA3SPHQdXMV46 i6oSUVoMA9ycwCFU92ok5LXK0r+WtBcnM4HjaWfX0PSBKIvaNHILePrayecMvNVTJ1st qOOeWON8eWG7BY2TwvhRltUceHdo1DLBh2pQwx2BjsXjxGdtkGsFrDgRjUCIrVBRQC3q t7VPV+EW3A8H45Cz2nszPvSkHdP83hQ7c/HWtXuOrEdQuZnOFfT41t2nEyL5M1AprKzJ gtng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ocuf0D0DFXN5o2oMQ8048WF1chHIOW4t4NNZIleCinc=; b=BMCVgEa9lHzDmQoDELaA3MyhKXucn0ViZQo4yZic3clnBi8tP+7nrtvEYaN43JE3fl iGLOCn62sWh1d2xGqkDv1UOpYU7Sxr4lPcfVB4Pd4Xg+Ncqx2+W0IlZ/V1skRqFAlVQB 2z//fPPg5alH2RHyaDdRcx+LG7YwVyCqh3fgVgMKmyqUFQtak51nugM0d34MKWOc2GEG ySIw5tA6sIscoHTFy1x9uQ209DXX8bXcSdV0g2DRtiIKYCMbiYGCNnSgdCWfHAlptiIm b0zled/4pmKYp+FZIZ3koHoCmlJRLv1XP10tA0Vzf+k9P+pRXdLXkFn7gbpIjJdvDIni +FPw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUXqaoCS0bHrFRxZLr6L16AWrOiqcrrEIzdT799LXxwCcCF4KXd yvoe+qElVV0t0OnIHeSJEcVBwaD3WD8qP5ljKTE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxZWN9iCniD1anxhITfPSJ37nji8LXfQF7J/UpyinBh2GoeamiLM3/h4R3ky1WpFEqIMy9Qt5CnmQhRfw+ly/E= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:f307:: with SMTP id m7mr7484929ioh.84.1568324118023; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <076701d56978$86020910$92061b30$@php.net> <078e01d5697c$5512bc10$ff383430$@php.net> <31BD63BC-ACE0-4478-B241-E698D2D6F59C@newclarity.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: To: Peter Bowyer Cc: PHP Internals List , Mike Schinkel , Jordi Boggiano Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f29340059261e97e" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors From: kjarli@gmail.com (Lynn) --000000000000f29340059261e97e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:58 PM Peter Bowyer wrote: > > One can argue that WordPress, with it powering 34% of the web (source: > wordpress.org) represents more than 50% of PHP users, and therefore > aligning the language to how they use it would be sensible, as they are the > majority of users. PHP and WordPress have had a symbiotic relationship, the > success of one increasing the success of the other. > How many of those are actually developers? Because the way I understand this numbers, "powering the web", that doesn't mean 34% are also developers. It wouldn't surprise me if a big portion of these applications could've also be a system written in another language, deployed, plugins installed, added some themes and done, no PHP knowledge required. Regards, Lynn van der Berg --000000000000f29340059261e97e--