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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:15:38 -0400
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To: Olumide Samson <oludonsexy@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Babker <michael.babker@gmail.com>, Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:06 PM Olumide Samson <oludonsexy@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:00 PM Michael Babker <michael.babker@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Just a dumb idea, since there clearly is a majority in favor of the
> > > change with these warnings and strictness and all that now... Why not
> > > making something like an LTS PHP 7.x where all the legacy code would
> > > work OK as long as practically possible and 8.x+ would be the future
> > > of what the developers want and not what business wants? One who won't
> > > upgrade due to the BC breaks also won't need the new features anyway
> > > very realistically.
> > >
> >
> > Please don't tie the notion of LTS with the idea that a new major can
> break
> > BC at will or create larger scale breaks because the previous major has
> > extended support.  Sooner or later that will end up back at the ++ idea
> and
> > fragmentation encouraged by the language is a bad idea.
> >
>
> Not sure you are really seeing the goal...
>
> Why is LTS not a good idea?
> And, if the majority want this or that, can we just blow everything into
> full dictatorship where i can host my fork of PHP doing uncountable
> unwanted things i can call it..?
>
> Any which way, i think the majority of us are tired of writing bad codes,
> but since the language is allowing it we don't have choices than to spend
> some hours or weeks later debugging the wrong or right line we did that
> last "big mistake", who knows there might be another line smiling coz i
> haven't detected it...
>

I can write good code without sacrificing the flexibility provided by PHP.
Don't force ME to write code a specific way because you aren't disciplined
enough to not write bad code without the compiler forcing you to do things
a certain way.

Of all of the justifications for this RFC I've heard, "I can't stop writing
bad code as long as I'm allowed to" has to be the worst.

-- 
Chase Peeler
chasepeeler@gmail.com

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