Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42421 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2019 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2019 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF272C21EB for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-oi1-x22a.google.com (mail-oi1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 11so155921oix.4 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O79sKdfXtfZsrMpc/TY3DiGbi/7Ry8E5WCsLOywAWRI=; b=MxRE5CdyrT2BSUoVhGqp7dMrSSH1+lHSh1TVOvZO9BbdsFYu/JUeqGBMiToGAZR2pf QE1oNVV0X0oKE0QgXII/WmDIckG2eQIXTW1z4lyh8Hbc8YvhCXyxPucVBHeD5eO+14HJ UZje/9v6H6TXajc5gZSSkpnYKFbR8N0oGh1K4m+XlT7yk6g0ijgehh2KSYFgBSkgGePJ JejuwUomLwGXMEMb0aWPoOG1JDgPGvHc6nCtAdPHUuzHna4Y9+UmFDc/93J4dZQvwJba 6BokS8r34Fe7EBVvlN6gISDW2HZFCRN3UhMGEB35kjCBdeb5aiLvXHNay0vCr53jzOtn XbJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O79sKdfXtfZsrMpc/TY3DiGbi/7Ry8E5WCsLOywAWRI=; b=LEoy1IDl0M9guWQQyrc/N0YtJYUQuTHo1dU2tpLkpC6HlRMXnBrp5o5Q6fALxhekSq A6OZFv3pg/PuCfMCbNqXkqmnhEA0oHebX2i7d1FZLJXzgy8K7t3J9eSECJugaU/EAkAy tuSYdTZ5NFYS7K216h3enfRQGsnuEb4Omi3OSDRZhsbjZ8hIWcxlIJokkNT/En93Gdct m/KRG3TtG3rF9rWnSchrcT2SrhcAfj8rEUJevEgDn5u/ZpHllMTZPTxYdeSkw7e7nVzR 5D6Zs8kYNGZEWi5zrEo56lxMf7edNtq3ReocvORVemjqZ+GzuZY9MrGULT0ebVNj046A Ak6g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUsOFHSL7/3+IprpigBf9kxjQhGd3ssnpvJ2VxuNWwJ1q8Vajyp cU1QKyYf5+zSQJhQFwpeqY3Y2nVM3JhkZL+KoSBfAAVr X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy0SrzDgr7Jr+xMGPs40P6rRl267On219N1hhWiGPZ4WdYAwrlSNNMv5nJL9bOStD+5K9Y/rrBlyGPVrOOGRK8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:24b:: with SMTP id m11mr160840oie.45.1568315210780; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <076701d56978$86020910$92061b30$@php.net> <467be4a0-dd8b-29d2-0b09-a3efd7fad56a@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:06:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: Michael Babker Cc: Peter Kokot , Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000008d67405925fd70b" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors From: oludonsexy@gmail.com (Olumide Samson) --00000000000008d67405925fd70b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:00 PM Michael Babker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > Just a dumb idea, since there clearly is a majority in favor of the > > change with these warnings and strictness and all that now... Why not > > making something like an LTS PHP 7.x where all the legacy code would > > work OK as long as practically possible and 8.x+ would be the future > > of what the developers want and not what business wants? One who won't > > upgrade due to the BC breaks also won't need the new features anyway > > very realistically. > > > > Please don't tie the notion of LTS with the idea that a new major can break > BC at will or create larger scale breaks because the previous major has > extended support. Sooner or later that will end up back at the ++ idea and > fragmentation encouraged by the language is a bad idea. > Not sure you are really seeing the goal... Why is LTS not a good idea? And, if the majority want this or that, can we just blow everything into full dictatorship where i can host my fork of PHP doing uncountable unwanted things i can call it..? Any which way, i think the majority of us are tired of writing bad codes, but since the language is allowing it we don't have choices than to spend some hours or weeks later debugging the wrong or right line we did that last "big mistake", who knows there might be another line smiling coz i haven't detected it... --00000000000008d67405925fd70b--