Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:107007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 37648 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2019 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2019 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43F2C044B for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id 7so129901wme.1 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:00:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=83Ay0ky1BiAITG0uis9nkLZOLmMiV1mZW31DpmQegY4=; b=rFetxUUo+t6R1QRKiwit2z11hyhh50EP8ey90GniqDKdXETZ99P+wT+05q6xvKbtM0 c7Xrq/XIxCLbT30SD2Z9+Yp6BoB6IFpTmZFMlzzZNBhNOA3maTUdfFurfZiAVyzjx8vu FpYjryVTaPqXdjE38zaidVtBD9EV+9m+sTJQzzhq/EBWe+L7HYQJqqj+woKoSnJDaXOC fudNIrRC+iNcvZ1GMJDBEwSODo+AHAcCqaCqBt6OBm7KL/z8i1A8+MvdSQoTbLRxtUot zXtl+uXYdSOX3IryEGYMRTnz+ICNbSJK8uavqsvxyT1w7KwoDBJP3opmXVGWi4MM4Sbq HTVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=83Ay0ky1BiAITG0uis9nkLZOLmMiV1mZW31DpmQegY4=; b=qMKzNNw9YVrj/U+/O+NsDzXhgy++XJeY5SLh7p9GjgylcaLO5hwhXhtVwPQJa8WXNj y6vrX0k7MyICBJnVaTg3dOaFhQ7Xcw2fIF+ABaOaWFeGdVNzduO4Wk3DLu2ipVcHRjtO bqQa7GinBBMA41RM9CVAqb5nGODBWYAHPTcE0WuCJZBOC6o7VwWyvF4P3dmt+30XiOfd LWUfx+kv2BQh9BWCDfYQ/IpL/N7W69efEDaUsN4tiradcQc9naBGI9NHa8X8jxxdufHr PeWS5jW0ahw1Dw8kMtZK47wnAyqUU9SyZE2YEaXGTUYwrqP1nxuDru4KbcMatdvYAlND v3ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW1/vIIzd2btr1ZHYqqmkkVvGwetOCLfUyjS+jZkDm4v9KbVk3J qNkzJHInpyeCWJOXB2oC9adLJNOp+9brI1FUZx0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxP5Oov5xhlnXzBhhkkUBSsYyIlWupP4nkmaASkXAApr/xJtdz4hB14xndzfdHwathrJJmB0CADawjD6kU6UeM= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c4c9:: with SMTP id g9mr103069wmk.150.1568314817939; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <076701d56978$86020910$92061b30$@php.net> <467be4a0-dd8b-29d2-0b09-a3efd7fad56a@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: Peter Kokot , Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e900b05925fbfd1" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors From: michael.babker@gmail.com (Michael Babker) --0000000000009e900b05925fbfd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Peter Kokot wrote: > Just a dumb idea, since there clearly is a majority in favor of the > change with these warnings and strictness and all that now... Why not > making something like an LTS PHP 7.x where all the legacy code would > work OK as long as practically possible and 8.x+ would be the future > of what the developers want and not what business wants? One who won't > upgrade due to the BC breaks also won't need the new features anyway > very realistically. > Please don't tie the notion of LTS with the idea that a new major can break BC at will or create larger scale breaks because the previous major has extended support. Sooner or later that will end up back at the ++ idea and fragmentation encouraged by the language is a bad idea. --0000000000009e900b05925fbfd1--