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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:58:38 +0100
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To: Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Brown <matthewmatthew@gmail.com>, Scott Arciszewski <scott@paragonie.com>, 
	Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>, Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors
From: oludonsexy@gmail.com (Olumide Samson)

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matthew Brown <matthewmatthew@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What if Java suddenly said that all properties are suddenly private, and
> >> can only be accessed through getter/setter methods?
> >>
> >
> > If Java announced that the next major version was to make the change
> after
> > 95% of userland developers favoured it and over 2/3rds of their internals
> > team did, I'd think "huh ok I guess they have good reasons".
> >
> >
> I call shenanigans on that 95% number. Can you please back that up?
> Personally, I don't think it's even possible to gauge userland
> support because the vast majority of userland developers aren't involved in
> the community at all. Those people don't even know this is being discussed,
> and probably won't until they start looking to upgrade to PHP 8.
>
> I'm sure you need to read the message properly before replying, he ain't
talking about PHP there...

Even 95% can be called anything(of users who are involved in the community,
who knows, who are actual users, etc)

>
> > For 20 years people have developed code based on that feature. It was
> >> never considered an error, and often not even considered bad practice
> >
> >
> > You seem to be arguing against *ever* changing something that a majority
> > once thought was good, and fundamental to a given system. Lots of things
> > fall into that category - restricting voting to men, segregation, etc.
> >
> >>
>
> --
> Chase Peeler
> chasepeeler@gmail.com
>

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