Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106967 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41163 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2019 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp3.php.net) (208.43.231.12) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2019 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from php-smtp3.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEC12D1FA6 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp3.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,BODY_8BITS, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-Virus: No Received: from mail-wm1-x335.google.com (mail-wm1-x335.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::335]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp3.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x335.google.com with SMTP id o184so406164wme.3 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+N7dqDIyxpZftTJYJcHkaqE8hYIkIf2XHSnYM9gXbu0=; b=Kxk8R1u603QO9trAE7GdQ/YpXxrcyDhyEnDzjsFZ5gWNSbXZzoJTHstH8DG6LFVNwU A14E0UGpGNLPetXrFlW8c9EIcBOgocaHpaLo2ftL4zvjXvAGogZlzGnTyxSTk5gtqKba htWyvf2TXGWDM5rYbZ1B1koF3syjc/f0YEbfNzhWfElcyMRs87mq6gIVLPkYP1O970wD Xz2+XuLFtUt9dRo7yGrR2QcTuZtr7YVm84DU3HB8E9Sykl5sLrNpZ1MfUGdX5iUj0Q6E Wmg+BxrDhy263xaNmKdUKhAbfRZCQO86mJnnTMv3d4IVPmAzSZglgr1f17C6+Le+rYWM f5dQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+N7dqDIyxpZftTJYJcHkaqE8hYIkIf2XHSnYM9gXbu0=; b=YniYZ2OZNntvJvYpPV3V1zJ9TkG7zpc92ObpXw1HbK957Njuz/QoUGnaAPoesgIwjg 5UQBYP68gq8vxEX0VAldirMOu0NBB8JxQ2PrafiZqXQNRJJsy5h8PiOcAB2XCgioD3F2 XlNYZbK/YmHUP9ZLDjJ0BjG7jJU/ln4aioSB5OxMbGUpZpDG3aMUBWt7OfIGJs0dQYHA GBJPTJ5C6COtSS7yi7CjiDYl52l8fBqboSp6mzqaxW2U3Z0g+FmMshnCW2yaqO46VR0V ctRgqyxBWzhJJRJqt+FIICzkc8Cz6I1nKNmnrRnl8Kbc3tM6SkS28Hh6IqhpBG2TuLm/ bZzw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVI9QDyV5h+HVtFTZthfzJQy8NyXmIbiqiUSU6zepjU5uOFvvGZ DNrG79alry9mHltu55Lm405LBIxPCCJnb5agceqxX/Mt X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwMK0RNV8isZpDKBMjKipMt2LVygnOfU1RquzXDEi5JLUM/HsjQoVHhQ2UrdPvale3wuFdetKrHYm1BzGHq1oE= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:110:: with SMTP id 16mr395331wmb.88.1568300362597; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <076701d56978$86020910$92061b30$@php.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:58:56 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dan Ackroyd Cc: Zeev Suraski , PHP Internals List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003891f05925c6239" X-Envelope-From: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks) --00000000000003891f05925c6239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =D1=87=D1=82, 12 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 16:53, Dan A= ckroyd : > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 15:44, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > The RFC process was never, ever meant to handle fundamental changes to > the > > language. > > The only appropriate response to this is "lolwat?". > > You keep making up rules...that don't exist. You can't expect people > to suddenly stop using RFCs to change the language just because you > say so. > > Please stop this behaviour. It's really not appropriate. > > sincerely > Dan > Ack > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Agree and support, but I mostly want to convey this to everyone: For once, let's not knee-jerk post reply. Let's take a day to stew on this, formulate the though and express it. I will do the same, cause I really want to knee-jerk here, but we know how that ended in recent months and issues it caused. So let's take the opportunity to voice our opinions in an orderly manner since Zeev basically opened this can of worms and I honestly do not see this going well. --=20 Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks +371 26 851 664 arvids.godjuks@gmail.com Skype: psihius Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius --00000000000003891f05925c6239--