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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:49:30 +0100
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To: Brent <brendt@stitcher.io>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Union Types v2 (followup on github usage)
From: Danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd)

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Brent <brendt@stitcher.io> wrote:
>
> I believe GitHub is the way to go. Several large communities manage their OSS on it and have proven it works, PHP should simply do the same.

At the risk of giving advice, you will find conversations are far more
productive if you ask why something can't be done, rather than just
stating it will be simple.

Not only will that elicit more useful information to you, it avoids
being subtly insulting, as you're implying that something will be easy
and people are being stupid for not doing it*.

In this particular case you could have asked "what would be the
problems with moving the build systems to github?", and the answers
would include:

* PHP has karma (aka permissions) system which github could not
support. I don't know how that could be solved/avoided.

* There is very strong reluctance to be dependent on other people's
infrastructure for things that could take a long time to migrate. e.g.
we can move discussions from one medium to another, by just telling
people to go talk over there. But for actual software CI, it's a big
deal to move from one system to another.

btw it's not obvious that the projects you linked actually have their
build systems integrated with Github. I'm pretty sure you're making
assumptions about how simple their systems are.

cheers
Dan
Ack

* in pithier form: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/439-four-letter-words