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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> Javascript has treated undefined variables as a catchable exceptions since
> (I think?) forever. 

Which seems to be why I open a random Javascript file in our codebase
and see this:

var wikibase = wikibase || {};
wikibase.queryService = wikibase.queryService || {};
wikibase.queryService.ui = wikibase.queryService.ui || {};
wikibase.queryService.ui.toolbar = wikibase.queryService.toolbar || {};

wikibase.queryService.ui.toolbar.Actionbar = ...

(not my code but I've seen it a lot)
IMHO, this is language getting in a way and people writing boilerplate
to avoid "service" that is not actually needed.

> much work. This means its developers often don't improve much either, which

I don't think PHP should be a language that "builds character" by
forcing people to do more work than it's necessary for them, in order
for them to "improve". I think it should be as easy as possible, and if
somebody wants to learn how the bits move, one can always pick up a good
book or go to a Coursera course, etc.

-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com