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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:06:00 -0400
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To: Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Randall <markyr@gmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings
From: matthewmatthew@gmail.com (Matthew Brown)

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I'm no management expert, but I'd be surprised if a boss who won't set
aside time to fix a few undefined variables nevertheless green-lights
rewriting everything in C#.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 12:26, Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:12 PM Mark Randall <markyr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 28/08/2019 16:37, Chase Peeler wrote:
> > > I'm also not the one that built it on the eggshells - I'm just the one
> > that
> > > is now in charge of developing the system that someone else left
> sitting
> > > eggshells.
> >
> > That's a challenge which at some point or another will face all
> > technical leads.
> >
> > You have to go to the people making the decisions and say:
> >
> > "Okay, look, we've got ourselves a problem here. We've dug ourselves
> > into a hole by cutting corners, building up debt, and we've never made
> > it a priority to fix it, and now it's causing us problems. It's not one
> > person's fault, it's something that has collectively developed over
> > time, but the reality is, the problem is there and needs fixing."
> >
> > But that's a lie. We have made it a priority to fix things that are
> broken. I wouldn't consider undeclared variables cutting corners. We've
> also invested a lot into making sure we aren't building up additional
> technical debt with the new stuff we're fixing.
>
>
> > And when the manager asks "What problems?" you say something like:
> >
> > "The language we use is moving towards a much stricter approach to
> > handling ambiguous or error prone code. This can only be considered a
> > good thing, but it is going to mean that a lot of our technical debt is
> > going to manifest as errors that will stop our site from function..."
> >
> > Then the manager will go "Can't we just keep using the version we are
> on?"
> >
> > You reply:
> >
> > "We can for a short period, perhaps an extra year or two, but the
> > reality is that PHP is moving forward, and the current version won't be
> > supported forever, and even if it were, we would be missing out on major
> > performance enhancements and new features that could help us to build
> > new features".
> >
> > Or, they go "Maybe we should look at some options that aren't always
> breaking things. Our other system built with C# has never had that issue."
>
>
> > The manager says: "Lay this out to me"
> >
> > You reply:
> >
> > "It's like our company car still works, but it no longer tighter meets
> > emissions standards so they won't let us take it into the city any more"
> >
> > In this case, it's like "Our car still works, but, you the left/right
> arrows on the volume knob have worn off, so, you can't tell by looking at
> it whether you turn it clockwise or counter clockwise to turn up the
> volume.
>
>
> > "Crap", the boss replies "Okay, we had best fix that"
> >
> > Boss replies "Yea, that sounds like a pretty stupid reason to have to
> upgrade. We'll wait."
>
>
> > --
> > Mark Randall
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Chase Peeler
> chasepeeler@gmail.com
>

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