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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:26:21 -0400
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To: Mark Randall <markyr@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:12 PM Mark Randall <markyr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28/08/2019 16:37, Chase Peeler wrote:
> > I'm also not the one that built it on the eggshells - I'm just the one
> that
> > is now in charge of developing the system that someone else left sitting
> > eggshells.
>
> That's a challenge which at some point or another will face all
> technical leads.
>
> You have to go to the people making the decisions and say:
>
> "Okay, look, we've got ourselves a problem here. We've dug ourselves
> into a hole by cutting corners, building up debt, and we've never made
> it a priority to fix it, and now it's causing us problems. It's not one
> person's fault, it's something that has collectively developed over
> time, but the reality is, the problem is there and needs fixing."
>
> But that's a lie. We have made it a priority to fix things that are
broken. I wouldn't consider undeclared variables cutting corners. We've
also invested a lot into making sure we aren't building up additional
technical debt with the new stuff we're fixing.


> And when the manager asks "What problems?" you say something like:
>
> "The language we use is moving towards a much stricter approach to
> handling ambiguous or error prone code. This can only be considered a
> good thing, but it is going to mean that a lot of our technical debt is
> going to manifest as errors that will stop our site from function..."
>
> Then the manager will go "Can't we just keep using the version we are on?"
>
> You reply:
>
> "We can for a short period, perhaps an extra year or two, but the
> reality is that PHP is moving forward, and the current version won't be
> supported forever, and even if it were, we would be missing out on major
> performance enhancements and new features that could help us to build
> new features".
>
> Or, they go "Maybe we should look at some options that aren't always
breaking things. Our other system built with C# has never had that issue."


> The manager says: "Lay this out to me"
>
> You reply:
>
> "It's like our company car still works, but it no longer tighter meets
> emissions standards so they won't let us take it into the city any more"
>
> In this case, it's like "Our car still works, but, you the left/right
arrows on the volume knob have worn off, so, you can't tell by looking at
it whether you turn it clockwise or counter clockwise to turn up the volume.


> "Crap", the boss replies "Okay, we had best fix that"
>
> Boss replies "Yea, that sounds like a pretty stupid reason to have to
upgrade. We'll wait."


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