Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106738 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 755 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2019 17:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-io1-f51.google.com) (209.85.166.51) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2019 17:33:15 -0000 Received: by mail-io1-f51.google.com with SMTP id 18so122152ioe.10 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:05:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=s2ceD9WuuYTgruhQbjXXPaI4mwtkN1Ck4NNfgtjHLR8=; b=Lr6WLXb1w7wUkpA6bV7B0PUMy3JbSJtILwfbsaiLfX3SYVGbfIIXD1P1Qv73o1T+mm rSbdTxVmiYIgrM0snu0Hz+Vhbp1bID5JDKFVYn3mv3sJx/q4dicJIUi5++wJ9kYXyCYd q8kdnuSJT/tT77Ngo7c1LyC4LVAy5bz2xDGSMAsjVuICgxH7NSnwo8koJWXzpNPso2Fz Z4u91OepOY58FDMj70j8H6/eAUrM3hU2Rd3Ze1daykxWFcxndc5+TQ0ZIIsuTsE3BC0F uRYIwTs49cwYNZDssyOm1Eh9maCiYs1VIcI2EgldfNfdRjpG/PSMkz4YwfStWrOBZcjX c/6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=s2ceD9WuuYTgruhQbjXXPaI4mwtkN1Ck4NNfgtjHLR8=; b=lN031Z0HCPee9WScbG5hrxSdMMw4peVkAVDx9opektdRmYpi9yuSEZT2bYcGn4Wrs3 VyrYxt38Ze3L82NEMW6cB6yTI1hWMurJzZ/Ach0+QZnUa3PznzfOtpHvE8UGAPv5LGOE gBCGhe3kJEQ7FG0K/oPcYMZqGdU4TffKQu6oxr5gkck8KGIzMaAiy6W0Z9MvfWq5zEOG qbHmL+FLTTaOKv/NuCJq8Mc5Ey+aiqwhuOYEWIHVligxUmobl/CUnH3vPgqTs+/RD+Az Q0fW0XLVxTz3cZSdZLtInQWpbzbovGs+qApOolETuxsiRgFSLuK6OZh1wlOj2mcDYYT+ 5XHg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWXIcj2Jqv+5dt5QJ1VNVkWRK6aGvScVQ0IUeDrlIvBsEvBSgiT kgQvlb2iR8Gs/AaU5XrQaFfQEBvJXmImzQvOgyg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw0yWUMuJS/zwKhWBUqLRR5M23DQSGFx6jzf7f2ynnEagxuMIyUgiVqzQV0KML3qucPkjq2InfNHMazxtKVSA4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2195:: with SMTP id b21mr5090517iob.205.1567004724688; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:05:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:05:13 +0200 Message-ID: To: Rowan Collins Cc: PHP Internals List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f9fd9305912eb7c6" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --000000000000f9fd9305912eb7c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:56 PM Rowan Collins wrote: > On 28 August 2019 15:22:22 BST, Matthew Brown > wrote: > >Looking at our notice logs, I estimate (fairly roughly) that it would > >require about a week's worth of my time to fix these issues > > I honestly thought you were posting that as an argument against. A week of > resource (plus the accompanying QA impact etc) is a significant investment > for many organisations. That's why it has the potential to delay adoption > of a new version, and why a long lead-in via deprecation or opt-in is > necessary. > A week for 700KLOC is *impressively low*. Many organisations spend more time on *deciding* whether to upgrade a patch version of a dependency, and the tooling that vimeo has provided to detect these issues is technically impressive, and very much usable by other orgs too. Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ --000000000000f9fd9305912eb7c6--