Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106734 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92737 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2019 17:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wm1-f47.google.com) (209.85.128.47) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2019 17:15:11 -0000 Received: by mail-wm1-f47.google.com with SMTP id v15so380326wml.0 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=A0vAYG5zbJNgyuHZdLED+y59WtIVkHQqql+QFRRf91g=; b=iUMtacb+rEWJWFeJqCbHAb0DGODKX2Xcv0NWXaymhxWV5dTXx/JFKeevXxW1poemIq mKfo+clKPMV3q9bpimWjS4H7/j2LNRs/GCwN8JJIhZKYYJ9rGT9LHmi7UDryRli3vdCC sx0gaRQggNJOd+q2b//cvjYP8zyZRT7n0RWJoGcSfqYczyG4o+pqs/mbf29kPKuvkFN8 kZ4oU/ayBOvyAsfvvQ9GvoZBUbxeWnjKyP3WsZnQVSh77YOEBBY3laUn+utv4R16t5mC y1UpM74NWE3yEzvAL8OrtlAPuHPbW4+rIFG7DMhJf1yL5pqfKa9bj6wNXNiApHC581vh 4wkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=A0vAYG5zbJNgyuHZdLED+y59WtIVkHQqql+QFRRf91g=; b=ebP+LQI8Z+yw2urE5Ey4P/TmT6xy8WPmbhfK4oonT8TcXlaMm7ctFTxRzDL2VF28eP aRcGyZAXuukxW5RoFfbmQCQQroLGbJ1Dpg5Fu+4nXWBo6x5OShqV6fbmfhMvwdcpl9dB H7rfLUYPPz1Li42SPdPWSmIhQ9ji0uezMOpWvReqayeBsf91snWd/9neRi8vJVxeYVr3 QcmFsEQM9kMB//ZJMJ442ifWmtJmym81xYP5Yv1Oni1uQjRc2Jn/C8a1qFVORdz1mEVQ 5EcnFZ94iwlsGfJBxVemPLNJhkUAvoOAM+B4I6dV7evcsSt/lTMeKsTqLqmcUBtZpvew 673Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVqBMn7j5Y7PRwnswRjV/gO4ZUSnbYw4q2VnPfQkTA5cAtxDY11 PGpdcdpkicPem9tmuMJAT61Bck08 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz6bRhvl2KT33cslNh4JAKcBvGlK5AcuZEMgFvBtvDFaxifzmgGGpwJKCdx15777ANjuUlhzw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:804b:: with SMTP id b72mr5350991wmd.139.1567003640743; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.237.221.169] (188.29.164.15.threembb.co.uk. [188.29.164.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a7sm298164wra.43.2019.08.28.07.47.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:47:17 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <5d668ea3.1c69fb81.2ac86.c6f9SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5d668ea3.1c69fb81.2ac86.c6f9SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <446C7185-2632-444A-AEF2-FB617FBD3360@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 28 August 2019 15:24:33 BST, Mark Randall wrote: >By the very nature of using @ to suppress error messages, the examples=20 >given are all fully aware that the behaviour they are using is not good p= ractice=2E I think that is a fault in the examples=2E I have never seen @ used to squ= ash these messages, but have frequently worked with codebases where logging= at the E_NOTICE level would have filled megabytes of log file in minutes= =2E As I said earlier, the fact that something is bad practice doesn't stop it= being difficult to locate and change=2E The requests for a deprecation per= iod, or an opt-in mode, are about that change, not a disagreement about the= principle=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Collins [IMSoP]