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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:11:08 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Reclassifying engine warnings
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:55 AM Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Am 28.08.19 um 15:48 schrieb Chase Peeler:
> > If it is still done, then I think a deprecation path is a must. As
> > mentioned earlier, this doesn't necessarily mean E_DEPRECATION messages -
> > warnings will work too. The key is that error logs with more urgency than
> > notices are created that users can use to track down and fix issues.
>
> hell, there are notices for at least a decade
>
> error_log = "/var/log/php_error.log"
> error_reporting = E_ALL
> display_errors = 1
>
> this is my development *as well* production config on every machine
> since 16 years now and every warning/notice get fixed because every 30
> minutes the errorlog get mailed to every developer and admin
>
> turn logging on and start cleanup what you would have had a decade time.


Am I the only one getting tired of people telling me how I need to operate
just like they do? Everyone's circumstances are different. Just because
something is easy for you, or works well for you, doesn't mean it's easy or
even feasible for someone else. I've learned it's useless to try to explain
how my situation might not be exactly like everyone else's, so I'm not
going to waste the time doing it again.

Why can't anyone see that taking on these myopic "My situation is the only
valid situation" views are going to kill this language.

"I always initialize my variables, so, it's no big deal if everyone else is
forced to do so."
"I was able to find and replace all the short tags in my code in 5 minutes,
so it should be easy for everyone else to do as well."
"We fix every single notice within 30 minutes of it popping up in a log.
You should be able to do that as well."
etc. etc. etc.

Also, if you are going to try and tell me how I should my job, at least
have the guts to reply to the entire list instead of sending it to me in a
private reply. I'm obviously not afraid to turn around to make your reply
public, so it'll save everyone a bit of time.

-- 
Chase Peeler
chasepeeler@gmail.com

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